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NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

[Dane]

Face it, you're defending the indefensible

Huh, if defending the notion that Pubbies are better than demo's is "indefensible" so be it, that is your right as an American to have.

But I disagree with you and will not stoop to your level of rhetoric of ad hominems and shameless comparisons.

[MEGoody]

"No, I don't think that the US made a wise decision to go into Iraq."

Why?

[OWK]

Having exhausted the meager ammunition from his pop-gun... out hero exits stage left.

See ya Hank... ;^]

[MEGoody]

"One of which was for people who don't pay taxes."

Which one was that?

[dirtboy]

Let me repeat: Bush passed two tax cuts. Your claim that the tax cut was wrong because it went to people who didn't pay taxes does NOT negate the tax cut. How many tax cuts did the Dems pass? NONE! Case closed.

Above and beyond the welfare issue, cutting taxes while massively increasing spending is nothing to be proud of, Hank. The GOP stood for balanced budgets in the 1990s - heck, it helped carry them into power. Now, we're the Santa Claus party - we tell the people they can have both tax cuts AND increased spending. Reagan was hamstrung by a Dem House. Bush has no such constraints. He could simply sit there with his veto pen, but he instead demands that spending be increased. Which, in the end, makes him no better than the Dems at shrinking the size of the federal government, which used to be a key plank of this website. I guess we burned it a long time ago and I didn't notice.

[eyespysomething]

If the spending for defense, or homeland security, or something related to the War on Terror needs to be raised, then great. Do it. But CUT SOMETHING ELSE!!! Don't just keep piling up on the budget.

[OWK]

Huh, if defending the notion that Pubbies are better than demo's is "indefensible" so be it, that is your right as an American to have.

You've dishonestly framed the argument.

Both dirtboy and I (and frankly most sane folks) will concede that republicans are better than democrats.

The question is whether democrat-like republicans are better than conservative republicans, and why you keep making excuses when republicans act like democrats?

[swany]

Then put your passion into getting more republicans in office to offset the wishy washy RINO's!

Technically, if a 51 to 49 vote passes legislation in the senate, doesn't that represent the people? Right or wrong in your eyes or Bush's eyes, his new tone in Washington is working together to get the job done and if the people's representatives vote a certain way, well...

If we want to be heard, undermining the administration and our chances of a stronger majority in congress at this point in history is not the way to go.

Doesn't mean you can't gripe sometimes, but we've got to stick together or we will never know what a strong republican lead government can do.

[OWK]

Which one was that?

This one.

[Dane]

Above and beyond the welfare issue, cutting taxes while massively increasing spending is nothing to be proud of, Hank.

I will wait for your JPEG or Gif of Ronald Reagan in tar and feathers.

Gotta go and get some business finished, will be back later to see the replies.

[Area51]

Now, if you want to talk about disassociating oneself from bad companions, you might take a second look at some of the people who are in your company.

159 posted on 07/15/2003 7:14 AM PDT by Miss Marple

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How bout just coming right out and name names.

[eyespysomething]

Doesn't mean you can't gripe sometimes, but we've got to stick together or we will never know what a strong republican lead government can do.

When can we gripe and its ok?

[dirtboy]

And if you don't pay any attention to who is calling for banning and who is not, how do you feel qualified to attack me on this issue?

Why don't you instead keep some of your compatriots in line who are trying to push all dissent off this website? And quit railing against those who have valid criticisms of Bush's spending insanity? What happened to the Quayle supporter I knew in 1999, who was supportive of concepts such as fiscal conservatism?

FWIW, I disagree often with OWK, but I'll take him over Bush harpies any day of the week. Likewise with AAABest.

[OWK]

Then put your passion into getting more republicans in office to offset the wishy washy RINO's!

Quantity isn't the problem.

You've already got a majority in both houses of congress... and the Whitehouse too.

The problem is quality.

And that won't change until they know you don't like what they're doing.

And thanks to mongol hoardes of excuse makers, that doesn't seem likely to change either.

[MEGoody]

"Bush has no such constraints."

As witnessed on these threads, it's obvious that Republicans are not lock-step, koolaid drinking non-thinkers who toe the party line. They have very diverse views of the issues.

Just because there is a "Republican" majority doesn't mean there is a single school of thought among those Republicans on any issue. Therefore, Bush can't depend on the Republicans in Congress to vote in concert on every issue.

And by the way, OWK, anyone who thinks a President can simply keep vetoing everything that comes across his desk is politically naive.

[dirtboy]

Huh, if defending the notion that Pubbies are better than demo's is "indefensible" so be it, that is your right as an American to have.

Uh, Dane, I haven't said that. But at least this line of attack is an improvement over your attempt at shame.

[Miss Marple]

No naming names. I am not getting into personal attacks; ditboy didn't name names, and neither will I.

I will not be baited into acting in a manner inconsistent with the wishes of the owner of this forum.

[dirtboy]

And by the way, OWK, anyone who thinks a President can simply keep vetoing everything that comes across his desk is politically naive.

Uh, it would be nice if he used it occasionally. And quit promoting spending increases. And quit caving to the Dems on spending issues.

[dirtboy]

And that won't change until they know you don't like what they're doing.

Exactly. And if we say we'll vote for them no matter what they do, they'll say thank you and then stick us in their back pocket and forget about us.

And then sit down on us.

[OWK]

Now, if you want to talk about disassociating oneself from bad companions, you might take a second look at some of the people who are in your company.

Now I heard you run with a dangerous crowd...

They ain't too pretty, they ain't too proud...

They might be laughin a bit too loud...

Ahh.. but that never hurt no one...