THAT URANIUM STORY

NRO ^ | 7/14/2003 | David Frum

[dirtboy]

If the parties are the same, why aren't the votes 100-0?

Where did I say the parties were the same? Nice strawman. However, I would hope there would be enough of a difference in the parties that there would be more than 20 GOP Congresscritters opposing the prescription drug benefit when we can't even figure out how we're gonna pay in the long run for existing senior entitlements.

Give it up, Hank. What Bush has done in the fiscal arena is indefensible by any standard of fiscal conservatism. I'd rather you just say I should put some ice on it than see you try and spin it as anything less than a sell-out of fiscal conservatives.

[OWK]

If the parties are the same, why aren't the votes 100-0?

The parties aren't the same.

The GOP is a little less socialist.

The democrats are a little more socialist.

Instead of trying to excuse a "slightly less socialist" GOP, why not actually raise your voice against it?

I really don't understand.

[Dane]

I really don't understand.

No, disagreement here. I agree that you don't understand or refuse to understand the machinations of the modern American political sysytem.

[AppyPappy]

I was referring to OWK

[dirtboy]

Have fun complaining about the tax increases pushed through by Kerry/Lieberman/Dean/Edwards/Gephardt. After all you have reached your breaking point haven't you.

In a way, I'd rather increased spending be coupled to tax increases, so the public would not be under the illusion that they could have their cake and eat it too. Instead, Bush has significantly increased discretionary spending while giving us tax cuts. My concern, first and foremost, is that the federal government be constrained. Spending increases do the opposite, whether they are funded by tax increases or borrowing.

[AppyPappy]

The GOP is a little less socialist.

Socialists pas TWO tax cuts?? I don't think so. You are stretching.

[dirtboy]

I agree that you don't understand or refuse to understand the machinations of the modern American political sysytem.

Oh, I understand it just fine. That's why I'm an activist, because I don't like where it is and especially where it's going. And, as a fiscal conservative and an activist, I'm not about to stand there and cheer when Bush increases spending and proposed a massive new entitlement when we won't be able to fund existing entitlements.

[Dane]

I'd rather you just say I should put some ice on it than see you try and spin it as anything less than a sell-out of fiscal conservatives

That is uncalled for, comparing people defending Bush who is going through the minefield called American politics, to the rapist(Clinton) of Juanita Brodderick.

JMO, the above italicized remark shows how arguementively bankrupt you are.

[OWK]

Socialists pas TWO tax cuts?

A tax cut for people who DIDN'T PAY TAXES.

Nope, nothing socialist about that.

No, not a thing.

[dirtboy]

Socialists pas TWO tax cuts?? I don't think so.

Socialists give government benefits and welfare to large segments of the population. A prescription drug benefit and welfare disguised as a tax credit sound like socialism to me, whether or not they are funded by taxes or borrowing.

[AppyPappy]

A tax cut for people who DIDN'T PAY TAXES.

The DEMOCRATS pushed for that. The vast majority of Republicans OPPOSED it. Yet you claim they are the same.

[Miss Marple]

Just where have I said that I wanted OWK banned? Why am I being accused of this? In only ONE instance have I ever reported a regular poster for abuse, and that abuse request did not include a request for banning. The poster was banned, but not at my request.

You guys are getting too paranoid. You think everyone is whispering about you and plotting ways to get you banned. Get a grip.

[Dane]

In a way, I'd rather increased spending be coupled to tax increases

You said it not I. I think a bit of Walter Mondale has rubbed off on you, IMO.

[AppyPappy]

A tax cut is welfare. Good spin.

[eyespysomething]

me too...

The spending is really bugging me. At least cut some wasteful program.

The NEA for example: In 2002, the House increased the spending for the NEA by over $12 million, which had been cut by 40% in 1995. No one vetoed that.

http://www.symphony.org/govaff/what/072402keyissues.shtml

[dirtboy]

That is uncalled for, comparing people defending Bush who is going through the minefield called American politics, to the rapist(Clinton) of Juanita Brodderick. JMO, the above italicized remark shows how arguementively bankrupt you are.

Oh, quit your whining, Dane, that is EXACTLY what I am being told to do here - put some ice on it and be a good pubbie and pull the elephant lever next year, no matter if my political values are being completely sold out by the party.

[dirtboy]

A tax cut is welfare. Good spin.

A tax credit for people who don't pay taxes is welfare. If you can't grasp that, I can't help you and further debate is futile.

[OWK]

The DEMOCRATS pushed for that. The vast majority of Republicans OPPOSED it.

And yet it passed two houses of congress (both of which have a GOP majority) and was then signed into law by a republican president.

Go figure.

[AppyPappy]

No, you are being told to vote for the best choice. I don't agree with everything Bush does. But in a race between Bush and a Democrat, I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.

[AppyPappy]

I pay taxes. I got a tax cut.