[Travis McGee]

The Russians also wrote after-action reports like this for Grozny Chechnya, and they also concluded the weapon of choice was the launched grenade.

Nothing clears a room like a grenade through the window fired from 200 yards down the street.

[harpseal]

Nothing clears a room like a grenade through the window fired from 200 yards down the street.

Very true.

It seems the complaints against the M9 seem more than justified. The reason for going to the M9 was political not military. It had to do with stationing Pershing missles in Europe as I remember. Clearly a 9mm with a small capacity is not a good replacement for the .45acp M1911A1.

The complaints against the M4 seem less justified as it is a better urban warfare rifle the the M16 with its longer barrel. however, in longer range situations as one would expect it is not as effective as the M16. This seems like a matter of choosing teh equipment and tactics to fit the terrain.

[Joe Brower]

"Nothing clears a room like a grenade through the window fired from 200 yards down the street."

Or closer! I find it interesting to note that the RPG and it's many variants like the B-40 have been a bane to our armed forces for almost forty years, and no effective countermeasures still have yet to be introduced by our armed forces. Strange, that.

[IGOTMINE]

Bullet trap rifle grenades are just the ticket. Flat trajectory...lots of KA-RUMP on the other end. Everyone becomes a grenadier.