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To: em2vn
"(Nixon headed for impeachment as payback for his role in HUAC" President Nixon wasn't facing impeachment because of his role in HUAC. He was facing impeachment because of Watergate. I wish it hadn't happened but he was wrong in what he did in that mess.

Yeah, right---no one at the time brought up Nixon's role in HUAC. Hiss' contemporaneous rehabilitation was just a coincidence. And you're a conservative Republican. Yep, I get it.

Do you imagine that if General Marshall had been a communist he would have failed to pushed for greater freedom for Soviet forces in Europe and greater restrictions on allied forces there during WWII and immediately afterwards?

How much "freedom" did you think the damn Soviets were allowed? Have you ever heard of Yalta???? Didn't you read what Kennedy said about what Marshall had accomplished there for the USSR???

Kennedy's speech should not surprise one. Marshall as a life long Republican was viewed as an isolationist in contrast to the internationalist views of the Democrat party established under Roosevelt.

Pure, shameless, mendacious "spin." Kennedy's point had nothing to do with Marshall's supposed Republicanism or "isolationism." It had everything to do with him selling out our country and our allies. Read the quote again, genius.

[Senator] Jenner [of Indiana] called General Marshall "a front man for traitors," a "living lie" who had joined hands "with this criminal crowd of traitors and Communist appeasers who, under the continuing influence of Mr. Truman and Mr. Acheson, are still selling America down the river." A charge such as this is easily made but from history we can see that there isn't one bit of evidence to support such a claim. It is the blind panderings of a politician seeking to carve out a base of support from thin air. The very real threat of communism was fertile ground for politicians such as Senator Jenner to exploit.

"Not one bit of evidence"? One more time: Marshall influenced FDR to give away the Kuriles, Eastern Europe to our Soviet "ally." He undermined our ally Chiang Kai-shek on a diplomatic mission where he was supposed to be "mediating" between Chiang and the communists. He helped block desperately needed aid to Chiang which helped the communists come to power, and go on to kill 50,000 of our precious young men in Korea. That's the evidence, Auntie Em.

It's instructive to remember that we had just finished WWII. Our nation and the world were still struggling to return to a world of peace. Fear was very much in the air. The memory of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was vivid in the minds of Americans. Conspiracy real and imagined was daily fare. Feeding upon this fear was the stock in trade of Senator McCarthy and those of his stripe.

A nice little fairy tale. Totally unfounded---how the hell does the attack on Pearl Harbor mean we were still afraid after we had reduced Japan to rubble by 1945? Who were we still afraid of, prevaricator, the Germans? They were destroyed too. The Russians? But we were told they were our "allies"---were STILL being told they were our allies by sundry useful idiots in the Truman Administration. Some people, like Kennedy, like Jenner, like Luce, were ringing the alarm bells, but not enough people were listening, certainly not in the Truman Administration.

If General Marshall had been a communist he would have driven the Marshall Plan to failure and the nations of Western Europe into the Soviet camp.

The Marshall Plan was originally offered to the Soviet Union too FYI, and the nations of Western Europe damn near did fall to the Soviets.

Included among those trading on fear would have been Senator Kennedy, a man with presidential aspirations. For him to make the statements he did would only feed his name to a hungry public and add greater impetus in his drive for the White House.

"Senator"? Didn't you read my quote? He was in the House at the time---wasn't elected senator for years after 1948. So you think he made his charge merely for the sake of his political ambitions, eh? A charge levelled squarely at his own party's Administration---do you think he was planning to run for President as an "isolationist Republican," Einstein? Looks like you're willing to aim your cheap smears at JFK, too.

"In 1974, the height of what could be called the "anti-McCarthyism era" I can't imagine how this statement was ever constructed. By 1974 Senator McCarthy was ancient political history.He was as forgotten as Gary Condut is today.

You "can't imagine" because you're an ignorant liberal Democrat trying to pass yourself off as a conservative Republican---it's an old Saul Alinsky trick, just executed much, much more convincingly by people other than yourself. Your invocation of Gary "Condut" is very telling, but I won't tell a faker like you how.

If you want to examine the claims of American losing China you must research Henry Luce and his publishing empire. It was Luce, the son of missionaries in China, who first espoused the notion of America's loss of China. He rode the idea to tremendous magazine circulation.

Yeah, Auntie Em---this "loss of China" thing was just a circulation ploy dreamed up by Luce. Uh-hunh.

I think Marshall and Truman both gave great credence to General MacArthur's admonition," never fight a war on mainland asia."

Mmmm-hmmm. Just don't mention HOW they "gave great credence" to it, especially since MacArthur never used the quote you attribute to him, lying liberal Democrat faker.

I simply don't agree with Anne Coulter's take on Joe McCarthy. I find her attempted defense of him to be ill-advised and factually unsupportable.

And we're back where we started. You don't agree with Ann's "take" on McCarthy, but you can't supply any factual refutation of that "take." I'm convinced you're a liar and a faker. Go away.

96 posted on 07/14/2003 7:45:25 PM PDT by Map Kernow ("I love the Vixen of Vitriol---Ann Coulter")
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To: Map Kernow
Do you have any idea how much like a revisioinist liberal you are sounding. If there is disagreement with you then it is time for name callling and questioning of a person's character. That is right out of the Hillary Clinton play book. One can only be a conservative if they adhere to your orthodoxy. What a dumb ass liberal approach to politics.

"Yeah, right---no one at the time brought up Nixon's role in HUAC. Hiss' contemporaneous rehabilitation was just a coincidence." What's the connection you are making? Watergate was a plot to get Hiss rehabilitated? To the best of my knowledge Hiss has never been rehabilitated, whatever that term means in this case.

Are you aware that the Soviets were kept out of Turkey and Greece and forced out of Austria, Germany was divided. Communists were dismounted in Italy. Was this all part of the grand Communist plan to conquer Europe?

If you think you establish what constitutes a conservative you can just pucker up on my back side pal. If my disagreeing with your take on a nutlog like McCarthy is causing you so much distress, great. Did you ever study or think about the senator before "Treason"? I imagine you didn't. I have studied that era of American history and find Anne Coulter's take on the issue to be in error. Remember this, she is trying to sell books, period. Anne Coulter is simply our version of Hillary Clinton. She is as self absorbed and arrogant as Hillary. She wouldn't p23s on one of us if we were on fire. Anne trys to use us as much as Hillary uses her fawning crowds.

99 posted on 07/14/2003 8:21:43 PM PDT by em2vn (In 1974, the height of what could be called the "anti-McCarthyism era")
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