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To: ikka
Cops have no choice but to follow the laws as enacted by their respective state representatives or the people who vote those laws by virtue of ballot measure.

Or in your world would you like to see the police themselves making up the laws as they see fit?

Does the term "law enforcement officer" ring any bells?
40 posted on 07/11/2003 9:46:04 PM PDT by Brytani (Politics: n. from Greek; "poli"-many; "tics"-ugly, bloodsucking parasites.)
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To: Brytani
Cops have no choice but to follow the laws

Correct me if I am wrong, but they also take an oath to uphold the Constitution?

148 posted on 07/12/2003 7:11:35 AM PDT by ikka
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To: Brytani
"Cops have no choice but to follow the laws as enacted..."

I'm getting into this a bit late, so this comment has probably been picked apart already. But I just gotta have my shot at it.

Cops, like nearly all public servants and politicians take an oath to "preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Like nearly all the others who take that oath, they quickly forget it and what it means. They shouldn't.

No police officer should get a free pass for an illegal act by claiming that he was ordered to do it or that he was just following the law. Those were the exact reasons given by Nazis for killing unarmed women and children. If those arguments weren't allowed in 1947 why are they ok now? If some poor schlep of a German soldier was expected to compare official law with humanitarian ethics, why can't we expect the same from a police officer who, like as not, has at least a two-year degree from college?

I agree that police officers have a tough job, one that I wouldn't want to do (again), but unless they are mindless robots, incapable of discerning good or bad intentions, only whether or not the "LAW" has been broken, they need to be held accountable for their actions.

One thing I have always held to be true is that eventually, all governments fall. Ours will too. I have read a rather lengthy treatis about how the next revolution will go and the first casualties the government will suffer will be from the ranks of the local police forces. After all, they are the most visible symbols of power that the people have for venting their anger. The next group to be targeted will be the families of the police officers. Is that fair? No, but then, neither is life.

There will come a time, hopefully long after I'm no longer around to see it, when good police officers-- and there are many of them-- will have to make a choice between right and wrong, between Rights and laws, between life and death, not only theirs but their families as well. Until that unhappy time arrives, we can sit at our faceless keyboards, calling each other names and adding nothing to the fray except more blather. Too many of us are already adept at that.

168 posted on 07/12/2003 10:42:14 AM PDT by oldfart (")
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To: Brytani
"Cops have no choice but to follow the laws as enacted by their respective state representatives or the people who vote those laws by virtue of ballot measure. "

There are quite a few that break those laws all the time. If you don't believe that, you are naive. Even some that aren't breaking laws can be real jerks. I had one state patrol officer yell at me when I was 18 because I didn't have a new sticker on my tag yet. My mom had it in her purse and I had no idea it was supposed to be on there already because she always handled that stuff. The officer asked me if I was aware that my tag was out of date very rudely and I said "No sir" sort of quietly and he yelled back at me "WHAT did you say??" like I had said something very offensive. I repeated what I said and he continued to be rude. He was just trying to intimidate me for no good reason. If my brother hadn't been in the car with me I would've been crying by the end of the whole thing but I didn't want to cry in front of him. Another officer that worked with the guy and was friends with me told me that if it had been any other cop he could've gotten me out of the ticket but this guy was just a jerk. My dad and I did go to the courthouse though and show them that we had the sticker and got the ticket reduced from $160 to $60.
212 posted on 07/13/2003 7:09:27 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Brytani
Does the term "law enforcement officer" ring any bells?

Does "we don't have any obligation to protect you"
And "You are not entitled to own a gun to protect yourself" ring any bells?

252 posted on 07/14/2003 6:13:43 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Brytani
Cops have no choice but to follow the laws as enacted by their respective state representatives or the people who vote those laws by virtue of ballot measure.

That must explain why I see them blowing by me on the Interstate at 90 mph, while the rest of us are driving close to the speed limit. That must also explain why regularly see off-duty cops leaving the local pub -- behind the wheel of a motor vehicle -- with a BAL well in access of the legal limit. What's that old saying -- "Cops smoke the best dope." Obviously, they do have a lot of choices which are not available to the rest of us.

300 posted on 07/14/2003 11:09:46 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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