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Dispute Simmers Over Web Site Posting Personal Data on Police
NY Times ^ | July 12, 2003 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 07/11/2003 8:09:36 PM PDT by jern

Dispute Simmers Over Web Site Posting Personal Data on Police By ADAM LIPTAK

illiam Sheehan does not like the police. He expresses his views about what he calls police corruption in Washington State on his Web site, where he also posts lists of police officers' addresses, home phone numbers and Social Security numbers.

State officials say those postings expose officers and their families to danger and invite identity theft. But neither litigation nor legislation has stopped Mr. Sheehan, who promises to expand his site to include every police and corrections officer in the state by the end of the year.

Mr. Sheehan says he obtains the information lawfully, from voter registration, property, motor vehicle and other official records. But his provocative use of personal data raises questions about how the law should address the dissemination of accurate, publicly available information that is selected and made accessible in a way that may facilitate the invasion of privacy, computer crime, even violence.

Larry Erickson, executive director of the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs, says the organization's members are disturbed by Mr. Sheehan's site.

"Police officers go out at night," Mr. Erickson said, "they make people mad, and they leave their families behind."

The law generally draws no distinction between information that is nominally public but hard to obtain and information that can be fetched with an Internet search engine and a few keystrokes. The dispute over Mr. Sheehan's site is similar to a debate that has been heatedly taken up around the nation, about whether court records that are public in paper form should be freely available on the Internet.

In 1989, in a case not involving computer technology, the Supreme Court did allow the government to refuse journalists' Freedom of Information Act request for paper copies of information it had compiled from arrest and conviction records available in scattered public files. The court cited the "practical obscurity" of the original records.

But once accurate information is in private hands like Mr. Sheehan's, the courts have been extremely reluctant to interfere with its dissemination.

Mr. Sheehan, a 41-year-old computer engineer in Mill Creek, Wash., near Seattle, says his postings hold the police accountable, by facilitating picketing, the serving of legal papers and research into officers' criminal histories. His site collects news articles and court papers about what he describes as inadequate and insincere police investigations, and about police officers who have themselves run afoul of the law.

His low opinion of the police has its roots, Mr. Sheehan says, in a 1998 dispute with the Police Department of Kirkland, Wash., over whether he lied in providing an alibi for a friend charged with domestic violence. Mr. Sheehan was found guilty of making a false statement and harassing a police officer and was sentenced to six months in jail, but served no time: the convictions were overturned.

He started his Web site in the spring of 2001. There are other sites focused on accusations of police abuse, he said, "but they stop short of listing addresses."

Yet if his site goes farther than others, Mr. Sheehan says, still it is not too far. "There is not a single incident," he said, "where a police officer has been harassed as a result of police-officer information being on the Internet."

Last year, in response to a complaint by the Kirkland police about Mr. Sheehan's site, the Washington Legislature enacted a law prohibiting the dissemination of the home addresses, phone numbers, birth dates and Social Security numbers of law enforcement, corrections and court personnel if it was meant "to harm or intimidate."

As a result, Mr. Sheehan, who had taken delight in bringing his project to the attention of local police departments, removed those pieces of information from his site. But he put them back in May, when a federal judge, deciding on a challenge brought by Mr. Sheehan himself, struck down the law as unconstitutional.

The ruling, by John C. Coughenour, chief judge of the Federal District Court in Seattle, said Mr. Sheehan's site was "analytically indistinguishable from a newspaper."

"There is cause for concern," Judge Coughenour wrote, "when the Legislature enacts a statute proscribing a type of political speech in a concerted effort to silence particular speakers."

The state government, he continued, "boldly asserts the broad right to outlaw any speech — whether it be anti-Semitic, anti-choice, radical religious, or critical of police — so long as a jury of one's peers concludes that the speaker subjectively intends to intimidate others with that speech."

Bruce E. H. Johnson, a Seattle lawyer specializing in First Amendment issues, said Judge Coughenour was correct in striking down the statute because it treated identical publicly available information differently depending on the authorities' perception of the intent of the person who disseminated it.

"It forces local prosecutors to become thought police," Mr. Johnson said.

Elena Garella, Mr. Sheehan's lawyer, said there was one principle at the heart of the case.

"Once the cat is out of the bag," she said, "the government has no business censoring information or punishing people who disseminate it."

Fred Olson, a spokesman for the state attorney general, Christine O. Gregoire, said the state would not appeal Judge Coughenour's decision.

"Our attorneys reviewed the decision and the case law," Mr. Olson said, "and they just felt there was very, very little likelihood that we would prevail on appeal. Our resources are much better used to find a legislative solution."

But Bill Finkbeiner, a state senator who was the main sponsor of the law that was struck down, said the judge's opinion left little room for a legislative repair. He said he was frustrated.

"This isn't just bad for police officers and corrections employees," Mr. Finkbeiner said. "It really doesn't bode well for anybody. Access to personal information changes when that information is put in electronic form."

Mr. Sheehan says one sort of data he has posted has given him pause.

"I'll be honest and say I do have a quandary over the Social Security numbers," he said. "I'm going to publish them because that's how I got the rest of my information, and I want to let people verify my data. But our state government shouldn't be releasing that data."

Lt. Rex Caldwell, a spokesman for the Police Department in Kirkland, said his colleagues there were resigned to Mr. Sheehan's site, and added that much of the information posted on it was out of date.

When the matter first came up, "people were extremely unhappy about it," Lieutenant Caldwell said. "Now it's more of an annoyance than anything else. The official line from the chief is that we're still concerned. At the same time, everyone's greatest fear, of people using this to track them down, has not materialized."

Nor is there any indication that the site has led to identity theft, he said.

Brightening, Lieutenant Caldwell said some officers even welcomed the posting of their home addresses, if that encouraged Mr. Sheehan to visit.

"If he wants to drop by the house," Lieutenant Caldwell said, "the police officers would be more than happy to welcome him. We're all armed and trained."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
"My gut feeling is that every one of these anonymous posters who think that this guy's website is a good thing should go ahead and put their real names, addresses, social security numbers up on this thread, along with the names of their spouses and children up on this thread."

They'll never do it. They know it's an invitation to a nutcase.

261 posted on 07/14/2003 9:03:22 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
That would be the day! I need to quit reading threads like these because my blood pressure just shoots up when I see the way people actually feel. It's scarey!

I have an eleven year old son and I have told him over and over again, that he can just forget about becoming a cop. It's not worth it anymore IMHO! It's bad enough that they have to deal with criminals, I certainly don't want the public hating him as well.
263 posted on 07/14/2003 9:11:45 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Sir Gawain
The information is public domain. Anyone can get it. Are you threatening the entire public if they look up your address?

So you wouldn't mind if somebody with an axe to grind posted your information on a website. Right.

264 posted on 07/14/2003 9:16:43 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Usual crowd of cop haters.

They do come out of the woodwork, don't they? I'd like to see one of these "self governors" out directing traffic in pouring rain because all the signals were knocked out, or giving first aid to a neighbor (as they did when I called them).

265 posted on 07/14/2003 9:31:06 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Arpege92
That's what I thought ... as soon as someone shows you proof you turn it into an ad hominen attack .... your nothing but a shill and a bootlicker... you grow up or should I say .... Seig Hiel
266 posted on 07/14/2003 9:41:02 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: Arpege92
I certainly don't want the public hating him as well.

Well then lady ... maybe you should pull you head out of the sand and listen to the complaints of the people on this thread. These are NOT drug dealers or rapists or even criminals ... they are normal everyday citizens who are getting fed up with the direction that police are going.

And when someone tells you what is wrong YOU personally attack them ... you ARE part of the problem.

I NEVER said I was for posting the personal info of LEOs .. in fact I am absolutely against it. I was trying to tell you (I might as well been talking to a brick wall) BUT I was trying to tell you why people feel the way they do ... BUT you were to blind/arrogant/belligerant to even realize that I WAS (capitalized WAS) on your side. If your husband has the same ability (or lack there of) to listen to peoples VALID complaints as you ... he's in for a lot more of the general populous hating him ... have a nice day

267 posted on 07/14/2003 10:00:26 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: clamper1797
Look, I don't want to fight with you and I certainly don't like people attacking me for having an opinion that may be different from there own. You told me your stories about cops, I tried to offer up advice and you turn on me. I like debating with people who have something different to say about issues but I don't like being insulted when they have run out of things to say. I apologize for my rude remarks and if I trivialized your experiences with cops, I apologize for that as well.
268 posted on 07/14/2003 10:02:06 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
Why haven't you or your son's former finace's cousin turned in these dirty cops?

I can maybe give you one reason, Police Depts dont care about the concerns of everyday citizens, who they view as little more than traffic revenue.

Complaints to local police depts. no matter how valid or important are often ignored or make a quick trip to the disposal bin. Dirty cops are allowed to keep pulling the same stunts for years at a time. A case in point was a local officer we had in our community. He was widely known to harrass citizens of our town and engage in behavior not becoming a police officer. Including spending an inordinate amount of time with nurses aides at the local retirement home with the key to the medicine cabinet. This was actually reported by numerous people to the local sherriff's office. Their response? No action.

It wasnt until a year later he was caught red handed pilfering drugs out of the towns evidence locker that he was finally fired.

The concerns of ordinary citizens often fall on the deaf ears of arrogant beurocrats who dont care about the people who pay their salaries. It is unfortunate, but it is also the truth.

269 posted on 07/14/2003 10:06:20 AM PDT by cascademountaineer (what happened to small gvt.)
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To: Arpege92
I told you about an incident ... you trivialized it and said I should not judge on the actions of one cop.

I pointed out that it in fact was 7 cops at different times committing minor harrassment to exact revenge for my registering a complaint against one of them.

You said (excerpt) there are more than 7 cops in the United States

So what do I have to do ... file a complaint against every officer in America before you consider it ????

Then you said ... If you don't want to be part of the solution, then quit your cry baby act and just shut the hell up!

Which was in response to my post in which I told you that I DID do something by having my BEST friend who is a Federal Marshall ... which by the way out ranks all Law enforcement officers (including state troopers) but the County Sheriff go down and talk to them ..

So you tell me who's being rude insensitive and DISENGENUOUS about this

270 posted on 07/14/2003 10:12:25 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: clamper1797
But .... I will accept your apology .... on the condition that YOU start LISTENING to people cause many many of them have VALID complaints
271 posted on 07/14/2003 10:15:07 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: cascademountaineer
I don't pretend to make excuses for bad cops and although it may be hard for some people to believe after experiencing a bad situation with cops themselves, there are good cops out there. This is the frustrating part for me because I am married to one. For all of the bad stories I hear about bad cops getting away with illegal activities, I can tell you stories where bad cops didn't get away with illegal activities. Most times, it's all over the news when bad cops are caught. Will we ever be rid of bad cops all together.....probably not, but we are making it more difficult for them carry on as if they are untouchable.
272 posted on 07/14/2003 10:28:30 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
"My hubby told me that some cops when first hired, can be rude and obnoxious because they let this power go to there heads. Most times, cops grow out of this attitude but some don't. "

Maybe that was the problem with the state patrol guy that yelled at me when I was 18. He was definitely a young guy. Too bad he liked yelling at and intimidating young girls. I am just glad my brother was with me so I kept myself from crying.
273 posted on 07/14/2003 10:32:27 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Arpege92
"This judge now, continues to rule over DWI cases today. "

It seems like the one in Atlanta also ruled over a lot of DWI cases.
274 posted on 07/14/2003 10:33:47 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: clamper1797
Didn't I just apologize to you for trivializing your experiences? No need to continue kicking me.
275 posted on 07/14/2003 10:34:51 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
"I certainly don't want the public hating him as well. "

If he is a good, decent cop, people wouldn't hate him. I've met exactly one good decent cop. He came to file the report when an old lady side-swiped my car. And I told everyone what a nice guy he was, including the guy I knew who was a horrible cop.
276 posted on 07/14/2003 10:38:16 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: honeygrl
I know how ya feel! I used to be a dispatcher for a police department and part of my job was running plates for cops who have pulled someone over. I really never knew or even thought about how that person may be feeling about being pulled over until it happened to me. It's quite embarassing and this particular trooper wasn't going to make it easier for me.....I too believe he was new on the job as well.

Most cops grow out of it though and some cops never even had a power trip when first hired. Being married to a cop makes it difficult for me when I hear so much cop bashing.
277 posted on 07/14/2003 10:42:52 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
OK ... I've said my piece ... you're probably a very nice person who loves her husband very much and are proud of the work that he does. I don't blame you .... I'd probably do the same. It's a shame that the good cops are associated with the bad ones ... BUT remember what I said in my original post. ANY cop (good or bad) who participates and/or aids in the egregious activities portrayed in this post or other acts like them .... is starting to be perceived an enemy to our republic by the common citizen .... no matter their intentions. They are NO LESS guilty than were the guards at the concentration camps who were "just doing their duty"
278 posted on 07/14/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: clamper1797
"They are NO LESS guilty than were the guards at the concentration camps who were "just doing their duty"

It's spelled clymer, not clamper.

279 posted on 07/14/2003 10:45:47 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
and it's spelled JACKASS not jackson
280 posted on 07/14/2003 10:46:52 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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