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Dispute Simmers Over Web Site Posting Personal Data on Police
NY Times ^ | July 12, 2003 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 07/11/2003 8:09:36 PM PDT by jern

Dispute Simmers Over Web Site Posting Personal Data on Police By ADAM LIPTAK

illiam Sheehan does not like the police. He expresses his views about what he calls police corruption in Washington State on his Web site, where he also posts lists of police officers' addresses, home phone numbers and Social Security numbers.

State officials say those postings expose officers and their families to danger and invite identity theft. But neither litigation nor legislation has stopped Mr. Sheehan, who promises to expand his site to include every police and corrections officer in the state by the end of the year.

Mr. Sheehan says he obtains the information lawfully, from voter registration, property, motor vehicle and other official records. But his provocative use of personal data raises questions about how the law should address the dissemination of accurate, publicly available information that is selected and made accessible in a way that may facilitate the invasion of privacy, computer crime, even violence.

Larry Erickson, executive director of the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs, says the organization's members are disturbed by Mr. Sheehan's site.

"Police officers go out at night," Mr. Erickson said, "they make people mad, and they leave their families behind."

The law generally draws no distinction between information that is nominally public but hard to obtain and information that can be fetched with an Internet search engine and a few keystrokes. The dispute over Mr. Sheehan's site is similar to a debate that has been heatedly taken up around the nation, about whether court records that are public in paper form should be freely available on the Internet.

In 1989, in a case not involving computer technology, the Supreme Court did allow the government to refuse journalists' Freedom of Information Act request for paper copies of information it had compiled from arrest and conviction records available in scattered public files. The court cited the "practical obscurity" of the original records.

But once accurate information is in private hands like Mr. Sheehan's, the courts have been extremely reluctant to interfere with its dissemination.

Mr. Sheehan, a 41-year-old computer engineer in Mill Creek, Wash., near Seattle, says his postings hold the police accountable, by facilitating picketing, the serving of legal papers and research into officers' criminal histories. His site collects news articles and court papers about what he describes as inadequate and insincere police investigations, and about police officers who have themselves run afoul of the law.

His low opinion of the police has its roots, Mr. Sheehan says, in a 1998 dispute with the Police Department of Kirkland, Wash., over whether he lied in providing an alibi for a friend charged with domestic violence. Mr. Sheehan was found guilty of making a false statement and harassing a police officer and was sentenced to six months in jail, but served no time: the convictions were overturned.

He started his Web site in the spring of 2001. There are other sites focused on accusations of police abuse, he said, "but they stop short of listing addresses."

Yet if his site goes farther than others, Mr. Sheehan says, still it is not too far. "There is not a single incident," he said, "where a police officer has been harassed as a result of police-officer information being on the Internet."

Last year, in response to a complaint by the Kirkland police about Mr. Sheehan's site, the Washington Legislature enacted a law prohibiting the dissemination of the home addresses, phone numbers, birth dates and Social Security numbers of law enforcement, corrections and court personnel if it was meant "to harm or intimidate."

As a result, Mr. Sheehan, who had taken delight in bringing his project to the attention of local police departments, removed those pieces of information from his site. But he put them back in May, when a federal judge, deciding on a challenge brought by Mr. Sheehan himself, struck down the law as unconstitutional.

The ruling, by John C. Coughenour, chief judge of the Federal District Court in Seattle, said Mr. Sheehan's site was "analytically indistinguishable from a newspaper."

"There is cause for concern," Judge Coughenour wrote, "when the Legislature enacts a statute proscribing a type of political speech in a concerted effort to silence particular speakers."

The state government, he continued, "boldly asserts the broad right to outlaw any speech — whether it be anti-Semitic, anti-choice, radical religious, or critical of police — so long as a jury of one's peers concludes that the speaker subjectively intends to intimidate others with that speech."

Bruce E. H. Johnson, a Seattle lawyer specializing in First Amendment issues, said Judge Coughenour was correct in striking down the statute because it treated identical publicly available information differently depending on the authorities' perception of the intent of the person who disseminated it.

"It forces local prosecutors to become thought police," Mr. Johnson said.

Elena Garella, Mr. Sheehan's lawyer, said there was one principle at the heart of the case.

"Once the cat is out of the bag," she said, "the government has no business censoring information or punishing people who disseminate it."

Fred Olson, a spokesman for the state attorney general, Christine O. Gregoire, said the state would not appeal Judge Coughenour's decision.

"Our attorneys reviewed the decision and the case law," Mr. Olson said, "and they just felt there was very, very little likelihood that we would prevail on appeal. Our resources are much better used to find a legislative solution."

But Bill Finkbeiner, a state senator who was the main sponsor of the law that was struck down, said the judge's opinion left little room for a legislative repair. He said he was frustrated.

"This isn't just bad for police officers and corrections employees," Mr. Finkbeiner said. "It really doesn't bode well for anybody. Access to personal information changes when that information is put in electronic form."

Mr. Sheehan says one sort of data he has posted has given him pause.

"I'll be honest and say I do have a quandary over the Social Security numbers," he said. "I'm going to publish them because that's how I got the rest of my information, and I want to let people verify my data. But our state government shouldn't be releasing that data."

Lt. Rex Caldwell, a spokesman for the Police Department in Kirkland, said his colleagues there were resigned to Mr. Sheehan's site, and added that much of the information posted on it was out of date.

When the matter first came up, "people were extremely unhappy about it," Lieutenant Caldwell said. "Now it's more of an annoyance than anything else. The official line from the chief is that we're still concerned. At the same time, everyone's greatest fear, of people using this to track them down, has not materialized."

Nor is there any indication that the site has led to identity theft, he said.

Brightening, Lieutenant Caldwell said some officers even welcomed the posting of their home addresses, if that encouraged Mr. Sheehan to visit.

"If he wants to drop by the house," Lieutenant Caldwell said, "the police officers would be more than happy to welcome him. We're all armed and trained."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
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To: clamper1797
Your going to let that experience not only keep you from turning the cop in but you are allowing your incident with one police officer keep you from knowing that not all cops are bad.

Take it one step further and find anyone who will listen to your encounters with this cop.

241 posted on 07/13/2003 7:26:59 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
You are comparing the death of Jews in World War II to legal searches by police officers?

What do you suppose we do to these cops who perform LEGAL searches? Execute them? Is this what you are saying? This is very upsetting to me....I am married to a cop and the thought of people like you scares the living hell out of me! Perhaps cops should be made more aware of the way people like you feel....I certainly don't want to see my husband killed for doing something that is legal. Suddenly, drug dealers, murderers and other nut jobs are not the top threat towards police officers anymore!
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Uh, Hello! I regret to say that you appear to be in your angry she-bear protective (and non-rational) mode, thereby rendering logical exchange of ideas impossible for the moment.

Meanwhile, stick this in your pipe and smoke it: Should LEOs be immune from prosecution when they needlessly blow away innocent lives (as happened not so long ago here in San Antonio -- to an innocent 14-year-old girl)? (Oh, and, by the way, the mission the FLEOs were on was "legal," so that makes it okay, right?)
242 posted on 07/13/2003 7:56:46 PM PDT by BenR2 ((John 3:16: Still True Today.))
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To: BenR2
"I regret to say that you appear to be in your angry she-bear protective and (none-rational) mode."

Nice try....if anyone seems a little shy of total ignorance, then that person is you. Please don't attack my opinions with personal insults....it diminishes any crediability you may have in forming an opinion.

"Meanwhile, stick this in your pipe and smoke it."

No thanks, because I have a strong feeling that "this" was in your a$$....along with your head! By the way....LEO's are not immune from prosecution....in fact, when they are involved in a shooting, there weapons are automatically taken away from them. Then the incident is investigated and brought before a jury who decides ON THERE OWN if the cop should be prosecuted!

243 posted on 07/13/2003 8:18:47 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
"The press who are mostly anti-cop would love nothing more than to hear your story. "

Looks like they are onto something atleast in Atlanta. One of the Fox5 I-Team investigations tomorrow night (6pm i think) will have an expose on how they let regular people sit in horrendous traffic jams just to let some Hollywood star have a road block so they don't have to be late for their concert. I wish they had these I-Team investigations online someplace because the last one I saw caught a local judge redhanded leaving a bar and driving home after having quite a bit to drink. They confronted him in the parking lot and said they saw how much he drank and told him he needed to call a cab or they would call the cops. He ignored them and insisted he drank only tea but they had him on video drink more than tea. They called the cops and the cops appeared to have ignored it because they drove by his home after to see if he made it home and his car was in his drive way. I emailed the TV station guy who did the report but he said "I hate it, but we don't have the staff to post all of our investigations on our website. It's the one thing I wish we could fix. If it helps, part two of our series will air again at 5 today. It's the one where we show him drinking... and driving."
I'm tempted to offer them my very basic HTML skills just to get their stuff online because they uncover some great stuff. I would love to be able to post a lot of their stuff on here if they ever do get it online. I'm hoping I'll get the time one day soon to volunteer my services to them even though I only know the basics. It would be enough to get a written article online and a few screen captures atleast from the show.
244 posted on 07/13/2003 9:10:05 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Arpege92
Why haven't you or your son's former fiance's cousin turned in these dirty cops?

That was going on 5 or 6 years ago and I assume at least some of it still goes on today - except that we do have a new sherriff. Unfortunately the same cops are still on the force.

Problem is, all we have is rumors, or "he said, she said" that wouldn't hold up in our local courts, and I don't have a clue how to ferret out the truth. No way I'm going to stalk any cop 24/7. I'm a 53-year-old grandmother who is looking forward to another 30 or so years, God willing.

Sounds like your husband is one of the many good cops who take the words "Protect and Serve" to heart. God bless him.

245 posted on 07/13/2003 9:49:43 PM PDT by bjcintennessee
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To: Arpege92
You don't listen very well do you ... I will say it again ... my two BEST friends are retired cops. I hear these stories ALL THE TIME. I just happen to post the most recent and outstanding (not excellent) incident that happened to me. So take your jackboot licking attitude to someone else
246 posted on 07/14/2003 5:18:52 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: Arpege92
you are allowing your incident with one police officer

I also appears that you can't count ... two cops live down the street that the problem originated with. The next was the Sheriff that went to talk with them and came back to me with attitude that makes 3. Then I get stopped four times in two months for a bogus seatbelt violation by four different cops that makes ... 7 NOT ONE .... jackboot licker

247 posted on 07/14/2003 5:24:06 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: JBBooks
I also tell them if they screw with my family I will kill them. No questions asked.

A natural and universal attitude, I think.
The problem is, you will not even entertain the possibility that the rest of us are entitled to feel and to react the same way.

Most of LEOs tend to think they are a privilged class, they tell us that they are not obligated to protect us (even through court decisions), and strongly deny us the means to protect ourselves.

Now... might there be some flaw in your thinking?

248 posted on 07/14/2003 6:04:07 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Brytani
Please inform the Fairfax County, Virginia Police what their job is. I've had to call them several times for incidents in the past and all I ever got is a run around.

First incident: I was involved in a hit and run accident. A guy in a dark colored Honda hit me and ran. Fairfax didn't even want to send an officer out to investigate the scene. I was told over the phone, "We usually don't send officers out if the damage is under $1000." Please tell me how he could ascertain that the damage to my car was under $1000 over the phone? Oh, and it wasn't. It was $4000 damage. My insurance wouldn't cover the damage because the cops were to lazy to come out and make a report.

Second incident: My ex-girlfriends father was beating up his wife. My girlfriend called me and pleaded with me to come over. I told her to call 911. She said that she had over an hour before. I went to her house, her father had left already, I had to take her mother to the hospital. Know when the cops showed up? The next morning.

Third incident: I was in Fairfax County on my way home from band practice. I got pulled over because my car (79 Z28 Camaro) fit the description of a suspected drug runner. I was forced to sit in the back of a patrol car while my car was searched WITHOUT my consent. I was threatened and treated like dirt for no good reason at all.

Forth incident: My girlfriend at the time got her Jeep broken into. The thiefs stole her stereo, CD player, jacket, and other personal stuff. Fairfax Police would not send an officer out to take a report or fingerprint the vehicle.

There are more instances but these are just the top four. I have a very good relationship and trust the Loudoun County Sheriff's department. I do not trust nor have any respect for the Fairfax Police Department. They have shown that they are not deserving of any trust nor respect and they have shown that they cannot be counted on in any way shape or form.

I've made two complaints regarding the conduct of Fairfax officers and each time, it was swept under the rug. Now, with that, tell me why they should have special protections when they are so willing to abuse their authority and position?

Personally, I believe that the website in question is not a good idea but for other reasons other than special protection of police officers. I do not believe that police should be entitled to any special privledges that are not allowed by non police. I also believe that anyone cop or not a cop that makes a threat of bodily harm as shown on this thread by both cops and non cops should face the same penalties.

One last note, I have an understanding with my Sheriff. If he has a problem with me, he knows to come and knock on my door. He knows that if a no knock is performed, he will be short a SWAT team by the time it's over. The reason is, there are too many gangs in our area that are willing to emulate a police no knock raid and they have killed the occupants of the house. I do not want any kind of violence but if someone enters my house at night, I don't care if they shout police or Hari Krishna. I will respond as I've been trained to respond for the defense and safety of my family. Basically, what I am trying to say is that, police need to be aware of the consequenses of their actions just as we non LEO's must be. Just because a badge is involved does not mean that a cop can do or not do as he pleases just as non cops have too.

Mike

249 posted on 07/14/2003 6:05:12 AM PDT by BCR #226
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To: BenR2
So, as a peace officer, you are entitle to issue threats? Hmmm.

And the truly scary part of all this is that they are incapable of seeing this as part of the problem.

250 posted on 07/14/2003 6:06:31 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Brytani
I've been around FR long enough to know there is a small but vocal group of posters on here who cheer at the thought of a cop "getting what they deserve".

Well, you need to look at the big picture.
Most, including myself, vigorously defend police officers who are attacked in the "progressive" press when a perp is killed resisting arrest.

251 posted on 07/14/2003 6:10:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Brytani
Does the term "law enforcement officer" ring any bells?

Does "we don't have any obligation to protect you"
And "You are not entitled to own a gun to protect yourself" ring any bells?

252 posted on 07/14/2003 6:13:43 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: Arpege92
You are incorrect about background checks! Police officers are not ALLOWED to run background checks on anyone they choose. These background checks are done when someone gets arrested and when someone is being investigated!

You need to get out more...

253 posted on 07/14/2003 6:30:06 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Californians are as dumm as a sack of rocks)
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To: JBBooks
Wow, what a shining example of law enforcement in this country. Thank you for your post.
254 posted on 07/14/2003 6:44:04 AM PDT by warmath
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To: Publius6961
and you need to know the facts before opening your big mouth! Have a nice day.....:-}
255 posted on 07/14/2003 8:38:56 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: clamper1797
I can count, but you can't read.....there are more than 7 cops in the United States....I bet there are more than 7 cops in your area as well....try a different police department.....go to the press.....turn to your two BEST friends who are retired cops for help.....do something more about police problems than just complain! I hear your stories over and over again and you are no different than the others because you FAIL to even get involved.

If you don't want to be part of the solution, then quit your cry baby act and just shut the hell up! This conversation is over.....have a nice day!
256 posted on 07/14/2003 8:45:54 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: clamper1797
First I can't count and now I can't listen? Grow up!
257 posted on 07/14/2003 8:47:05 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
My gut feeling is that every one of these anonymous posters who think that this guy's website is a good thing should go ahead and put their real names, addresses, social security numbers up on this thread, along with the names of their spouses and children up on this thread.
258 posted on 07/14/2003 8:48:43 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: bjcintennessee
I sympathize with you and your situation. I too, wish to see bad cops removed when they break the laws. I've been pulled over a few times by some State Troopers and even though I am married to a cop, they certainly made it difficult for me to defend this occupation. They were rude and obnoxious....and yes, I did get a ticket.

My hubby told me that some cops when first hired, can be rude and obnoxious because they let this power go to there heads. Most times, cops grow out of this attitude but some don't. You sound like a sweet lady and maybe one day, you will get your due justice.....I hope! :-}
259 posted on 07/14/2003 8:53:28 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: honeygrl
Same thing happened here in my area.....judge was pulled over and arrested for DWI. Guess what? He beat it....doesn't surprise me but it sure gets me real angry. This judge now, continues to rule over DWI cases today.
260 posted on 07/14/2003 8:58:58 AM PDT by Arpege92
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