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Dispute Simmers Over Web Site Posting Personal Data on Police
NY Times ^ | July 12, 2003 | ADAM LIPTAK

Posted on 07/11/2003 8:09:36 PM PDT by jern

Dispute Simmers Over Web Site Posting Personal Data on Police By ADAM LIPTAK

illiam Sheehan does not like the police. He expresses his views about what he calls police corruption in Washington State on his Web site, where he also posts lists of police officers' addresses, home phone numbers and Social Security numbers.

State officials say those postings expose officers and their families to danger and invite identity theft. But neither litigation nor legislation has stopped Mr. Sheehan, who promises to expand his site to include every police and corrections officer in the state by the end of the year.

Mr. Sheehan says he obtains the information lawfully, from voter registration, property, motor vehicle and other official records. But his provocative use of personal data raises questions about how the law should address the dissemination of accurate, publicly available information that is selected and made accessible in a way that may facilitate the invasion of privacy, computer crime, even violence.

Larry Erickson, executive director of the Washington Association of Sheriffs and Police Chiefs, says the organization's members are disturbed by Mr. Sheehan's site.

"Police officers go out at night," Mr. Erickson said, "they make people mad, and they leave their families behind."

The law generally draws no distinction between information that is nominally public but hard to obtain and information that can be fetched with an Internet search engine and a few keystrokes. The dispute over Mr. Sheehan's site is similar to a debate that has been heatedly taken up around the nation, about whether court records that are public in paper form should be freely available on the Internet.

In 1989, in a case not involving computer technology, the Supreme Court did allow the government to refuse journalists' Freedom of Information Act request for paper copies of information it had compiled from arrest and conviction records available in scattered public files. The court cited the "practical obscurity" of the original records.

But once accurate information is in private hands like Mr. Sheehan's, the courts have been extremely reluctant to interfere with its dissemination.

Mr. Sheehan, a 41-year-old computer engineer in Mill Creek, Wash., near Seattle, says his postings hold the police accountable, by facilitating picketing, the serving of legal papers and research into officers' criminal histories. His site collects news articles and court papers about what he describes as inadequate and insincere police investigations, and about police officers who have themselves run afoul of the law.

His low opinion of the police has its roots, Mr. Sheehan says, in a 1998 dispute with the Police Department of Kirkland, Wash., over whether he lied in providing an alibi for a friend charged with domestic violence. Mr. Sheehan was found guilty of making a false statement and harassing a police officer and was sentenced to six months in jail, but served no time: the convictions were overturned.

He started his Web site in the spring of 2001. There are other sites focused on accusations of police abuse, he said, "but they stop short of listing addresses."

Yet if his site goes farther than others, Mr. Sheehan says, still it is not too far. "There is not a single incident," he said, "where a police officer has been harassed as a result of police-officer information being on the Internet."

Last year, in response to a complaint by the Kirkland police about Mr. Sheehan's site, the Washington Legislature enacted a law prohibiting the dissemination of the home addresses, phone numbers, birth dates and Social Security numbers of law enforcement, corrections and court personnel if it was meant "to harm or intimidate."

As a result, Mr. Sheehan, who had taken delight in bringing his project to the attention of local police departments, removed those pieces of information from his site. But he put them back in May, when a federal judge, deciding on a challenge brought by Mr. Sheehan himself, struck down the law as unconstitutional.

The ruling, by John C. Coughenour, chief judge of the Federal District Court in Seattle, said Mr. Sheehan's site was "analytically indistinguishable from a newspaper."

"There is cause for concern," Judge Coughenour wrote, "when the Legislature enacts a statute proscribing a type of political speech in a concerted effort to silence particular speakers."

The state government, he continued, "boldly asserts the broad right to outlaw any speech — whether it be anti-Semitic, anti-choice, radical religious, or critical of police — so long as a jury of one's peers concludes that the speaker subjectively intends to intimidate others with that speech."

Bruce E. H. Johnson, a Seattle lawyer specializing in First Amendment issues, said Judge Coughenour was correct in striking down the statute because it treated identical publicly available information differently depending on the authorities' perception of the intent of the person who disseminated it.

"It forces local prosecutors to become thought police," Mr. Johnson said.

Elena Garella, Mr. Sheehan's lawyer, said there was one principle at the heart of the case.

"Once the cat is out of the bag," she said, "the government has no business censoring information or punishing people who disseminate it."

Fred Olson, a spokesman for the state attorney general, Christine O. Gregoire, said the state would not appeal Judge Coughenour's decision.

"Our attorneys reviewed the decision and the case law," Mr. Olson said, "and they just felt there was very, very little likelihood that we would prevail on appeal. Our resources are much better used to find a legislative solution."

But Bill Finkbeiner, a state senator who was the main sponsor of the law that was struck down, said the judge's opinion left little room for a legislative repair. He said he was frustrated.

"This isn't just bad for police officers and corrections employees," Mr. Finkbeiner said. "It really doesn't bode well for anybody. Access to personal information changes when that information is put in electronic form."

Mr. Sheehan says one sort of data he has posted has given him pause.

"I'll be honest and say I do have a quandary over the Social Security numbers," he said. "I'm going to publish them because that's how I got the rest of my information, and I want to let people verify my data. But our state government shouldn't be releasing that data."

Lt. Rex Caldwell, a spokesman for the Police Department in Kirkland, said his colleagues there were resigned to Mr. Sheehan's site, and added that much of the information posted on it was out of date.

When the matter first came up, "people were extremely unhappy about it," Lieutenant Caldwell said. "Now it's more of an annoyance than anything else. The official line from the chief is that we're still concerned. At the same time, everyone's greatest fear, of people using this to track them down, has not materialized."

Nor is there any indication that the site has led to identity theft, he said.

Brightening, Lieutenant Caldwell said some officers even welcomed the posting of their home addresses, if that encouraged Mr. Sheehan to visit.

"If he wants to drop by the house," Lieutenant Caldwell said, "the police officers would be more than happy to welcome him. We're all armed and trained."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Washington
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To: Fred Mertz
They are trained to lie on the stand? Bulls_it!
161 posted on 07/12/2003 10:13:40 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Fred Mertz
They are trained to lie on the stand?

Do you have any kind of proof to back up this claim of yours?
162 posted on 07/12/2003 10:14:24 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: AAABEST
"Now if it were legal for police to run background checks on anyone at anytime"

You are incorrect about background checks! Police officers are not ALLOWED to run background checks on anyone they choose. These background checks are done when someone gets arrested and when someone is being investigated!
163 posted on 07/12/2003 10:21:17 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: bjcintennessee
Oh I see....all cops plant drugs into innocent civilians vehicles! They must have to carry alot of illegal drugs with them while on duty!!!!
164 posted on 07/12/2003 10:28:02 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: AAABEST
You automatically assume that Sheenan is telling the truth about his encounter with police.....were you there?
165 posted on 07/12/2003 10:30:21 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: jern; AAABEST; Sir Gawain; CWOJackson; Arpege92; BenR2; Brytani
Ah yes siree, another person that will do Mr. Sheehan's(the "webmaster" of the anti-cop website), paranoid delusions proud.

Man talked down after 5 hours on bridge

166 posted on 07/12/2003 10:41:22 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Fred Mertz
"Terrorists don't want to go after cops. They want to go after unarmed civilians."

And you know this for a fact? Seems to me, cops were also some of the victims of 9/11 and IMHO, terrorists don't differentiate cops from civilians.
167 posted on 07/12/2003 10:42:09 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Brytani
"Cops have no choice but to follow the laws as enacted..."

I'm getting into this a bit late, so this comment has probably been picked apart already. But I just gotta have my shot at it.

Cops, like nearly all public servants and politicians take an oath to "preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Like nearly all the others who take that oath, they quickly forget it and what it means. They shouldn't.

No police officer should get a free pass for an illegal act by claiming that he was ordered to do it or that he was just following the law. Those were the exact reasons given by Nazis for killing unarmed women and children. If those arguments weren't allowed in 1947 why are they ok now? If some poor schlep of a German soldier was expected to compare official law with humanitarian ethics, why can't we expect the same from a police officer who, like as not, has at least a two-year degree from college?

I agree that police officers have a tough job, one that I wouldn't want to do (again), but unless they are mindless robots, incapable of discerning good or bad intentions, only whether or not the "LAW" has been broken, they need to be held accountable for their actions.

One thing I have always held to be true is that eventually, all governments fall. Ours will too. I have read a rather lengthy treatis about how the next revolution will go and the first casualties the government will suffer will be from the ranks of the local police forces. After all, they are the most visible symbols of power that the people have for venting their anger. The next group to be targeted will be the families of the police officers. Is that fair? No, but then, neither is life.

There will come a time, hopefully long after I'm no longer around to see it, when good police officers-- and there are many of them-- will have to make a choice between right and wrong, between Rights and laws, between life and death, not only theirs but their families as well. Until that unhappy time arrives, we can sit at our faceless keyboards, calling each other names and adding nothing to the fray except more blather. Too many of us are already adept at that.

168 posted on 07/12/2003 10:42:14 AM PDT by oldfart (")
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To: Fred Mertz
Whoops Freddy, I really didn't mean to leave you out of the ping line in reply #166.

But you go ahead and basically state that everybody is against ya.

169 posted on 07/12/2003 10:44:19 AM PDT by Dane
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To: BenR2
What is your line of work? Would you want your personal information posted all over for everyone to see? I'm not talking about the info in a phone book, but social security numbers? The man who is in charge of this website obviously has a chip on his shoulders about cops. It would be more prudent for him to dump his money in some therapy instead of a website that could have devastating effects for some hard working people who, in my opinion, do not get paid nearly enough for the job they do. And if your family was threatened, wouldn't you actively defend them if someone broke into your home?
170 posted on 07/12/2003 10:47:21 AM PDT by Cate
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To: stryker
If you claim that 90% of cops lie on the stand, does that mean that 90% of your clients are telling the truth?
171 posted on 07/12/2003 10:49:46 AM PDT by Arpege92
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To: AAABEST
I just read your response relating to LEOs. It is obvious that you have no real knowledge of the job that they are required to do for the public. Officers protect people on a daily basis just by having their presence in the community. Officers are asked to respond to some of the most devastating situations any of us could ever be in. You might agree with ALL the actions of EVERY officer, but by and large, they are hard working, underappreciated group of individuals. If your nearsighted vision of protection is an officer running through a downpour of bullets to save a small child, then, your whole argument would correct, that most officers don't do that on a daily basis. That usually happens to the Hollywood division. And you should count your blessings that you've never been involved in a horrible tragedy that requires an officers protection.
172 posted on 07/12/2003 11:00:26 AM PDT by Cate
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To: stryker
Your facts are obviously incorrect. And I certainly would never want you to represent me in a court of law, as it is very apparent that you're 90% not good at your job. Here's my conclusion- that you've spent far too much time with your clients, and they've influenced your thinking in a negative manner. Put your self in the situation that if your personal information was given to your clients to use as they saw fit. Wouldn't you protest this just a bit?
174 posted on 07/12/2003 11:06:01 AM PDT by Cate
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To: Cate
Can anybody here honestly say that they have not observed a police officer breaking the law? The problem is that the rules are so arcane for minor civil driving infractions, that multiple police officers have told me that anybody can be pulled over, even legitimately, if they are followed long enough.

Most police officers use discretion and good judgement. Cops ignore violations all the time, because they believe it is minor, they are too busy, they don't feel like writing the ticket, they are about to start their lunch break, or whatever.

Laws that are enforced sporadically become unjust by their nature. Any police officer can legally pull over blacks, women, hispanics, white males, whomever their beef is with, and give them a citation for ticky tack stuff.

They are law enforcement officers now, agents of the state, not of the people. There are some Sherriff Andy Taylor's out there still, but people with adrenaline kicks, who see SWAT movies as teen-agers are often signing up to be cops. They want to kick ass and take names as opposed to adjudicating a problem peacefully. I was so annoyed watching this cop on the tv show COPS, who I hope was just playing to the cameras, but he was the biggest a-hole I have seen in my life. Yes, he pulled over someone. Yes they had marijuana on them, but he treated them in such a belittling obnoxious manner, that I was rooting for one of them to punch him in the mouth.

There is a difference between telling somebody that they broke a law, and they are being arrested, and being an obnoxious punk. Too many punks with badges these days. Too many laws that they can pick and choose to nail you with depending on their whim.

Anybody like the hide-a-cops either? Instead of patrolling businesses and residential neighborhoods, thwarting crime with their visible presence, they are hiding in alleys with radar guns to "nail" somebody going 45 in a 35 zone. While I don't condone it, this cop's presence helps nobody. If nobody sped that day, this person would spend an 8 hour shift sitting in his car in an alley. I would rather him cruising up and down my block, but that doesn't generate revenue.

That is another thing, if tickets are about safety and not revenue enhancement, why don't we prove it. Let's double all traffic tickets instantly, but put the money into the property tax fund. If the amount of ticket money equals 1% of what property tax revenue is, drop property taxes 1%. None of it goes back to the cops. They work out of the general fund. See how enthused they are about writing ticky tack stuff then. Same thing with asset forfeiture laws. It all goes out of state, local, federal taxes. No financial motive to go grab somebodies house or car. We all know the truth though that this is revenue generation in addition to safety, but nobody has the intellectual honesty to admit as such.

175 posted on 07/12/2003 12:08:47 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: jern
Screw 'em, I'm all for a citizen that is beating the cops at their own game. Since the cops are allowed to treat people like livestock, utterly blow off the 4th Amendment, and have instant access to gun owner databases (which is illegal, but nobody cares), we should be able to have the same info on them. Maybe they'll think twice about building more databases and further infringing on citizens' privacy.
176 posted on 07/12/2003 2:43:39 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (This space for rent, call 555-9388.)
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To: dogbyte12
If you don't want to worry about being pulled over for little traffic thingies, I suggest you move to S. florida where speeding is a way of life. Right hand turns from the far left lane are expected, signals are never EVER to be used and non-licensed, no insurance drivers are one of our biggest problems.

But then you'd probably complain that the cops aren't pulling more of these people over. No different from most people, you applaud when some idiot drivers makes an incredible stupid and/or dangerous move and get's pulled over for it, but when you do it and get caught, it's all the evil cops fault.
177 posted on 07/12/2003 3:52:54 PM PDT by Brytani (Politics: n. from Greek; "poli"-many; "tics"-ugly, bloodsucking parasites.)
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To: connectthedots
Yeap, I do believe the judicial system and people involved in it should uphold the laws. HOWEVER what has gone on in this thread is huge amounts of cop bashing because they do the following.

1. Hold and enforce random speeding/sobriety checks.

2. Pull them over for traffic infractions including drunk driving.

Or somehow infringe on their personal privacy.

If you scroll up you will see where I state any cop that breaks the law should face harsher penalties when they are convicted of a crime. However, bashing cops for doing their job is ridiculous and what 99% of the complaints about them come from.
178 posted on 07/12/2003 3:56:01 PM PDT by Brytani (Politics: n. from Greek; "poli"-many; "tics"-ugly, bloodsucking parasites.)
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To: Arpege92
Yeap, innocent criminals - those people arrested, convicted and sent away just to be picked up by the awful police again.

Check further up in the thread or other threads of this kind where everyone the police go after is perfectly innocent. Why there are some on here who would claim Ted Bundy was set up and harassed by jackbooted cops.
179 posted on 07/12/2003 3:58:17 PM PDT by Brytani (Politics: n. from Greek; "poli"-many; "tics"-ugly, bloodsucking parasites.)
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To: oldfart
"Cops have no choice but to follow the laws as enacted..."

"Cops, like nearly all public servants and politicians take n oath to "preserve and protect the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Like nearly all the others who take that oath, they quickly forget it and what it means. They shouldn't."

And a cop enforcing the laws of the various states is upholding the constitution and upholding their oath. Show me where any oath new officers take states they will be the ones to decide which laws are constitutional and which ones they will uphold. Last I checked that was the job of the judiciary of the US, namely the USSC.

"No police officer should get a free pass for an illegal act by claiming that he was ordered to do it or that he was just following the law."

I never have said they should get a pass, as a matter of fact I have stated three times now that cops should face harsher punishment when they are convicted of breaking the law. However, to paint all cops walking/talking criminals as many on this thread has done is ridiculous.


"I agree that police officers have a tough job, one that I wouldn't want to do (again), but unless they are mindless robots, incapable of discerning good or bad intentions, only whether or not the "LAW" has been broken, they need to be held accountable for their actions."

I never said differently. However I have said because of the job they do, their privacy and their families privacy should be protected against retaliation from the nutcases who would love nothing more then to claim they killed a cop.


There will come a time, hopefully long after I'm no longer around to see it, when good police officers-- and there are many of them-- will have to make a choice between right and wrong, between Rights and laws, between life and death, not only theirs but their families as well. Until that unhappy time arrives, we can sit at our faceless keyboards, calling each other names and adding nothing to the fray except more blather. Too many of us are already adept at that.

I know many MANY cops and have had numerous discussions with them about the laws they enforce on a daily basis. Many of them disagree with the laws that have been enacted and many of them believe changes to our laws need to be made. However, I've yet to meet one who will say it is their job to change the law or to decide which law to enforce.
180 posted on 07/12/2003 4:11:49 PM PDT by Brytani (Politics: n. from Greek; "poli"-many; "tics"-ugly, bloodsucking parasites.)
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