1 posted on
07/11/2003 12:36:09 PM PDT by
yonif
To: SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; adam_az; LarryM; American in Israel; ReligionofMassDestruction; ...
I am not disputing the fact that Pollard was a traitor and a spy. However, what I am disputing is what he got for his actions, taking into account he was spying for a friendly nation, in comparison to what others got (not only for spying for friendly nations, but also enemies).
Albert Sombolay, an American soldier, was convicted in 1991 of spying for Jordan during the first Gulf War. He also admitted to giving sensitive materials to Iraqi intelligence officials, and was paid for his actions. The information he revealed included deployment locations of US troops and samples of US chemical weapons defense systems. This information could have led to the deaths of thousands of Americans. Sombolay pled guilty to "espionage and aiding the enemy," yet he was sentenced to only 39 years in prison, and that sentence was commuted to 19 years in 1992.
2 posted on
07/11/2003 12:38:07 PM PDT by
yonif
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3 posted on
07/11/2003 12:41:00 PM PDT by
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To: yonif
Comparing Pollard to Duweisi is apples and oranges.
Pollard passed on classified material of the US goverment against his sworn oath as a federal employee.
Duweisi was not a government employee, had no access to classified information, and spied on private individuals. According to the prosecutors his actions don't even constitute espionage.
I think Duweisi should be shot, but the two cases are not identical.
4 posted on
07/11/2003 12:42:24 PM PDT by
wideawake
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To: yonif
Jonathan Pollard transferred classified information, vital to the national security of Israel, to the government of the Jewish State in 1983. This information was about the weapons of mass destruction programs of rogue states in the Middle East, including Iraq, Syria and Libya, who are likely to target Israel with chemical and/or nuclear weapons should they possess the capabilities to do so. And we know that this is what he gave the how? Because he said so?
5 posted on
07/11/2003 12:43:08 PM PDT by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: yonif
Pollard is getting what he deserved. Friendly nation or no, your nation is first.
The fact that it was a friendly nation should be the reason he gets a prison term rather than an execution date.
Oh, and the U.S.S. Liberty was an accident. I don't want any of you "It's the evil JOOOOZ" types adding me to your ping lists because I said this about Pollard, ok?
10 posted on
07/11/2003 1:10:17 PM PDT by
TheAngryClam
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To: yonif
We are all out there doing this to each other . If you get snagged you deal with it . Each spy has a value & something to give .
Of all the things I've read from you Yonif I presumed you knew the rules of the game .
12 posted on
07/11/2003 1:15:55 PM PDT by
Ben Bolt
To: yonif
The Pollard defenders never learn. They
never, never, never learn. Their stategy from the very beginning of in-your-face Pollard hype, all the time, everywhere, has
failed miserably, keeping their man securely behind bars and eliciting nothing but consternation and contempt from the overwhelming majority Americans whenever the issue is raised in the media, which seems to be several times every year at least.
Now we see a new tack with an Iraq connection. How absurd -- how utterly and completely absurd.
Maybe if you guys would SHUT UP for a few years and work QUIETLY for Pollard's release you might have some success. I have no doubt in my mind that had that strategy been adopted in the beginning, and his name had dropped from public consciousness, Pollard would have been released years ago.
21 posted on
07/11/2003 2:33:03 PM PDT by
beckett
To: yonif
Court of Appeals Judge Stephen Williams called the case "a fundamental miscarriage of justice," and expressed his desire to completely pardon Pollard. Jonathan Pollard passed along information to Israel that may have saved many lives, and for it he is serving a life sentence.We can't have individuals running around determining all by themselves which countries deserve access to classified information. What kind of precedent would that be?
To: yonif
"Passing classified information to an ally, without intent to harm the United States."'I passed on top secret information to the Chinese not because I intended to harm the United States, but because I wanted to help them defend themselves.'
I don't think so.
To: yonif
Spying itself would no longer a crime.........no, we'll have to determine what the motivation of an individual is before we determine if it is a crime at all. That's an extremely dangerous precedent to set, with stakes that high.
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