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To: rmlew
"The war was already on when the Liberty was attacked. The Liberty incident happened after teh Egyptian Navy sank the Eilat As for pre-emptive, Egypt was blockading Israel (an act of war), and Egypt and Syria were shelling Israeli positions before the IDF retaliated."

I'm not sure that this is true. James Ennes does state that an Israeli aircraft (an American-made F-100 Delta Dart was used, I believe) made low level surveilance passes over the Liberty hours (several hours, I believe) before the attack.

I do not blame Israel for attacking the Arab States (pre-emptive, or otherwise). I only want to know about what happened with the USS Liberty. It seems to me that if the Israelis really did suspect the Liberty of being Egyptian ship, a call to the US Navy could have helped avoid an "accident".

Ennes, I believe, also uncovered some evidence from US military sources of a similar incident that occured months earlier against a US ship where the Israelis warned the US against having inteligence-gathering ships poking around the area. No shots were fired on that occasion. If this is true, then it would bolster claims that the Israelis knew exactly who the USS Liberty was.

Will we ever know and can we ever trust "new" documments that surface, magically to support one side, or the other? I seriously doubt it.

19 posted on 07/10/2003 4:36:38 PM PDT by You Gotta Be Kidding Me
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
I'm not sure that this is true. James Ennes does state that an Israeli aircraft (an American-made F-100 Delta Dart was used, I believe) made low level surveilance passes over the Liberty hours (several hours, I believe) before the attack.

Pretty well establishes your standing. You know squat, but you are not going to let that inferere with your agenda.

22 posted on 07/10/2003 5:47:29 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (hoist by his own petard. always funny.)
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To: You Gotta Be Kidding Me
I'm not sure that this is true. James Ennes does state that an Israeli aircraft (an American-made F-100 Delta Dart was used, I believe) made low level surveilance passes over the Liberty hours (several hours, I believe) before the attack.
Actually, an Israeli Super Mystere. The US did not sell weapons platforms to Israel.

I do not blame Israel for attacking the Arab States (pre-emptive, or otherwise). I only want to know about what happened with the USS Liberty. It seems to me that if the Israelis really did suspect the Liberty of being Egyptian ship, a call to the US Navy could have helped avoid an "accident".

1. Why would Israel contact the US if it was told that no US ship was in the area?
2. Communications would have been facilitated by an exchange of Naval Liasons, something that Israel requested in May. The State Dept refused.

Ennes, I believe, also uncovered some evidence from US military sources of a similar incident that occured months earlier against a US ship where the Israelis warned the US against having inteligence-gathering ships poking around the area. No shots were fired on that occasion. If this is true, then it would bolster claims that the Israelis knew exactly who the USS Liberty was.
1. I would love to see the specifics.
2. Assuming it is true, the US told Israel that our assets were west of Cyprus.
3. Buzzing a ship is different that bombing it.

Will we ever know and can we ever trust "new" documments that surface, magically to support one side, or the other? I seriously doubt it.
I think that there were mistakes made by both sides, and everyone revetexc to the practive of CYA. That does not show an intentional attack or a conspiracy of silence.

23 posted on 07/10/2003 11:33:42 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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