Judge Cristol tells the Post how he set record straight on USS Liberty

Jerusalem Post ^ | Jul. 10, 2003 | JOEL LEYDEN

[Ichneumon]

["But I was soon shown how active the conspiracy theorists and hate mongers were about keeping the story alive."]

So anyone who disagress with the Judge is a hate monger?

Wow, you make *TWO* major errors in one sentence. Impressive.

1. Nowhere in his statement did he make any implication about the motivations of "anyone who disagrees with him". What he *did* say is that there was continuing activity on the issue by both conspiracy theorists and hate mongers. And (my opinion, now) only a fool would deny that.

2. Allow me to introduce you to a little word in the English language called "and"... He clearly mentions *two* groups in his statement, 1) conspiracy theorists, and 2) hate mongers. Is there any reason you falsely declared that he must be naming *only* "hate mongers" as the only category into which anyone might fit?

If this is the attitude he started out with, his credibility is pretty well blown.

If this is the reading comprehension of which you're capable, I can't say much for *your* credibility.

[Oztrich Boy]

I'm not sure that this is true. James Ennes does state that an Israeli aircraft (an American-made F-100 Delta Dart was used, I believe) made low level surveilance passes over the Liberty hours (several hours, I believe) before the attack.

Pretty well establishes your standing. You know squat, but you are not going to let that inferere with your agenda.

[rmlew]

I'm not sure that this is true. James Ennes does state that an Israeli aircraft (an American-made F-100 Delta Dart was used, I believe) made low level surveilance passes over the Liberty hours (several hours, I believe) before the attack.
Actually, an Israeli Super Mystere. The US did not sell weapons platforms to Israel.

I do not blame Israel for attacking the Arab States (pre-emptive, or otherwise). I only want to know about what happened with the USS Liberty. It seems to me that if the Israelis really did suspect the Liberty of being Egyptian ship, a call to the US Navy could have helped avoid an "accident".

1. Why would Israel contact the US if it was told that no US ship was in the area?
2. Communications would have been facilitated by an exchange of Naval Liasons, something that Israel requested in May. The State Dept refused.

Ennes, I believe, also uncovered some evidence from US military sources of a similar incident that occured months earlier against a US ship where the Israelis warned the US against having inteligence-gathering ships poking around the area. No shots were fired on that occasion. If this is true, then it would bolster claims that the Israelis knew exactly who the USS Liberty was.
1. I would love to see the specifics.
2. Assuming it is true, the US told Israel that our assets were west of Cyprus.
3. Buzzing a ship is different that bombing it.

Will we ever know and can we ever trust "new" documments that surface, magically to support one side, or the other? I seriously doubt it.
I think that there were mistakes made by both sides, and everyone revetexc to the practive of CYA. That does not show an intentional attack or a conspiracy of silence.

[You Gotta Be Kidding Me]

"Pretty well establishes your standing. You know squat, but you are not going to let that inferere with your agenda."

"I know squat".....??????? Actually, I don't know you, at all.

I was impressed with James Enne's book. Are there a few questions left unanswered in it? Of course. Do I believe "new and improved" unclasified "secret" documents from secret military sources? Hell no. Do I question "newly discovered" proctology reports written by Hitler's doctor that "prove" that the Nazis were really nice guys? Hell yes!!!

My "agenda" regarding the USS Liberty "incident" is that I want the WHOLE truth and I don't know where to get it. I sure won't get it from the "Israel is always right" crowd anymore than I will get it from the "Israel is always wrong" crowd. A curse on both crowds!!!!!

[VOA]

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[Wild Thing]

Thank you so much yonif.

Wild Thing

[HolgerDansk]

1. Nowhere in his statement did he make any implication about the motivations of "anyone who disagrees with him". What he *did* say is that there was continuing activity on the issue by both conspiracy theorists and hate mongers.

This claim defies logic. In the article, Judge Cristol clearlyimplies that that the "hate mongers and conspiracy theorists" are on the Israel-deliberate-attack side.

[...]And (my opinion, now) only a fool would deny that.

Nothing like a little dose of Liberal ad-hominem to make my day, thank you. The "news" here isn't exactly news, as the NSA has previously released this material. Only a true partisan would jump on old news and proclaim it a revealation.

2. Allow me to introduce you to a little word in the English language called "and"... He clearly mentions *two* groups in his statement, 1) conspiracy theorists, and 2) hate mongers. Is there any reason you falsely declared that he must be naming *only* "hate mongers" as the only category into which anyone might fit?

You're fabricating an assumption of mutual exclusivity out of thin air. Logically, nothing prevents one from being both a hate monger and a conspiracy theorist, and introducing the hate terminology is a favorite tactic of Liberals everywhere.

Next time, take a little course on Logic, or at least spend some time blowing PALs, GALs, PROMs, or FPGAs...

[yonif]

I agree. Let me also say that not all the USS Liberty survivors are in this, but those leading this conspiracy are.

[yonif]

Is that Radio broadcast available online?

[Natural Law]

Both sides still have a lot to protect by continuing to hide the real truth here. The real story is that Israel had agents (early day Johnathan Pollards) in the Pentagon supplying them very sensitive intelligence on the Egyptian army. The Liberty was stopped by Israel before it could confirm and relay evidence of the intelligence leak. My source for this was a retired Israeli intelligence officer.

Some could argue that Israel acted to ensure the source of intelligence they felt was critical to their survival or that they were protecting their agents. In either event, justified or not, the attack was deliberate.

I would be hard pressed to name a country that would not have done the same thing. We need only look to the extreme measures taken during WWII to protect intelligence sources. Churchill sacrificed his own city of Coventry rather than disclose the Enigma secret. Sinking an allied ship is rather trivial compared to that.

[yonif]

Welcome to FR by the way.

I know about that radio broadcast, but I was talking about the one you heard with that moderator with Ennes and Cristol.

[Natural Law]

The US had no intention of passing info to the Arabs! Egypt & Syria were both Soviet client states. The US would have found and removed the Israeli mole. The loss of information and the potential loss of trust and support were apparently worth killing US servicemen to protect.

[Anti-Bubba182]

Broadcast of Ennes and Cristol Link

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