[rwfromkansas]

I should warn you about the lame attempts people have at explaining away the predestination passages. So, here is the list that he probably will pick from in response (I may have missed an option, but these three are what I remember from my discussions on this topic as being the top responses):

1. We are "all" predestined, but it is our "choice." LOL!!! This is probably my favorite. I wonder if these people actually believe this idiocy. They need to take a look at what predestination means before spouting this nonsense.

2. God "predestines" those he "foreknows" coming to salvation. While this seems Scripturally correct, as Scripture says predestination is based on foreknowledge, this is very simple analysis. A word study of what foreknowledge really is shows that it is essentially tied to God ordaining something to happen, therefore lending support to the Reformed view of predestination, that only a group of the elect is predestinatined to salvation from the foundation of the world accordingn to the purposes of God and due to nothing we did or ever could do, as we would never choose God if given the choice due to our black and sinful hearts.

3. It applies only to the Jews. This is one of the stupidest replies, as Romans 9 disproves this directly, with Paul stating that elect will come from both the Gentiles and Jews. Paul calls Christians elect, which means they are "chosen."

[Colofornian]

We are "all" predestined, but it is our "choice." LOL!!! This is probably my favorite. I wonder if these people actually believe this idiocy. They need to take a look at what predestination means before spouting this nonsense.

Folks give more power to corporately elect a politician than they give to God to "elect" a person unto salvation.