[ninenot]

but for Luther's courage, there would have been no eventual United States of America.

Maybe, maybe not.

We certainly wouldn't have had the French Revolution, which was the philosophical capstone of Luther's work.

And with all due regard for our Lutheran friends, that's not a compliment.

[Terriergal]

but for Luther's courage, there would have been no eventual United States of America.

Speaking as a Lutheran, isn't that statement giving just a little more credit to Luther than Luther himself would have wanted? ersh. I went to a Lutheran Bible school and the occasional laudings of Luther surely made me and others (who actually thought about it) shudder. We are all just channels through which God works. I hesitate to honor any man *too* much. He had his faults as well.