Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[JesseShurun]

I can assure you that huge numbers of mainstream churches were racist, openly and publicly, as recently as 1960. I heard their preachers on the radio and listened to the results of their preaching among my classmates at school. If you had been in school in the south in 1954, you would have heard things that would end the career and social life of anyone who repeated them today. I am not not talking about fringe snake-handling churches . I am talking about entire denominations with hundreds of thousands of members.

apparently fringe snake handling churches( whatever they are, I have never seen one, no doubt meant to infer something akin to "wacky") are not racist but most are, in this author's personal opinion. It is heresay of course, and cannot be considered evidence, but the jury will have heard it anyhow.

[Lurking Libertarian]

901?

[f.Christian]

How about mutant -- hybrid -- dichotomous -- bipolar -- freak -- fraud -- hoax of nature !

[VadeRetro]

Evolution was widely assumed, based on fossils, long before Darwin. Common descent was Darwin's contribution. Prior to "Origin" evolution was assumed to have taken place via special creation, a form of ID.

This looks backwards. Common descent had been presumed before. Darwin added the mechanism of variation and natural selection.

[kegler4]

"Do you view all bible-believing Christians as holier-than-though and self-righteous types? If you do, then isn't that an exercise in biased stereotype?"

I do not believe this and never have. Most Bible-believing Christians I know are humble, kind and quiet about their faith. But they don't make public pronouncements about whether other people or denominations are REAL Christians. And the ones I know well don't speculate privately, either.

[JesseShurun]

Now that you have been informed, I expect you to stop spreading this falsehood, unless you do not take the ten commandments seriously.

this is disingenious-- they tell Christians to play by honorable precepts, but of course, for them, since none of the bible is true, they are not bound to

[JesseShurun]

realize the inanity of reading certain OT passages literally, and other books in such a far fetched wacked out

another "whacked" combined with implied stupidity, another attempt to demean the others worth and very un-PC. Note in contrast, Darwin is a god, running up and down dale

[JesseShurun]

realize the inanity of reading certain OT passages literally, and other books in such a far fetched wacked out

another "whacked" combined with implied stupidity, another attempt to demean the others worth and very un-PC. Note in contrast, Darwin is a god, running up and down dale

[f.Christian]

ah2 thinks - BELIEVES (( evo etchings on sand from kooks )) ...

God - morals - bible - laws - science - evolves ---

twiting // twisted aren't they --- their bias (( off the wall )) !

[VadeRetro]

It should be noted that mis-use of the Bible to justify practices such as slavery is not the fault of the Bible. Rather it lies with the one who distorts it.

Distortion is always the fault of the distorter. Everyone will now patiently be waiting for you to stop doing the exact same thing to Darwin, but we know how naive they're being, don't we?

[Dimensio]

"Are you saying then that God is entirely within the bounds of the natural universe?"

No.

Then science cannot address God, because science can only address that which falls entirely within the bounds of the natural universe. It looks like you're blaming me because you don't like the established definition of science.

[Aric2000]

YEP!!

[JesseShurun]

Troll-avoiding P L A C E M A R K E R

demeaning even though we attempt to discuss

[Junior]

"Approaching 1000 posts without a flamewar" placemarker...

Ain't "virtual ignore" grand?

[whattajoke]

Jesse,

The reference to Saturn is an "inside joke" in these threads. We have license to use them from time to time. A former poster who got banned numerous times under different names has his own website which contains, how shall I say, some rather "interesting" ideas.

He used his real name on this site, and since he linked the site on FR, his real name was exposed and an ethical battle ensued. In my post you referenced, I was simply showing that goodseed had linked her own site, which contains some personal info, and therefore netiquette dictates what I did is ok.

For more info on the infamous Saturn situation, enjoy your fellow creationist's whimsical ideas here (it appears he has updated his site a bit, in his downtime now that he's off of FR): http://www.bearfabrique.org/

[VadeRetro]

I think this strikes the contrast we want without letting anything important go unrebutted. There is nothing important coming from the people on VI.

[f.Christian]

Evolutionists should have a delegated personality - delegate authority ...

to control all the weirdos that inhabit their consciosness long enough for a rational belief system to form ---

runaway science with a food fight going on in the cockpit !

[Stultis]

Common descent had been presumed before. Darwin added the mechanism of variation and natural selection.

It may be pedantry on my part, but as I've said before, because of the widespread belief in spontaneous generation (both popularly and among scientists, or "natural historians" as they were then called) pre-Darwinian theories of evolution typically did not include the idea of common descent, at least not in the sense of a universal or even near universal principle. If living things are continually springing into existence, then living things are not all related by normal reproduction.

[JesseShurun]

thank you so much. I am engaged in scientific research at the moment and will read it when I find the time.

[f.Christian]

Even owlgore said ...the fall never hurts anyone --- it's the sudden stop !