Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[Junior]

In a large-enough group (and there are literally thousands of biologists alone), personal perceptions will run the entire spectrum. Hell, as can be seen from our Biblical discussions, personal perceptions run the entire gamut. No two people ever see the world in exactly the same way, but a fairly accurate view of reality can be gleaned from comparing each of those individual's perceptions. Hence, peer review.

[Junior]

The Gospel (( Holy Spirit )) only works if God is Jesus !

Otherwise He goes on strike...

[f.Christian]

Could God the Creator abandon His creation ... take the lover's leap and die for us --- to rescue - save us !

[f.Christian]

no hesitation sign of weakness placemaker !

[CobaltBlue]

"All things were made by Him" is NOT in the New American Bible, which I quoted to scripter, verbatim. Probably should have pinged you.

1 2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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He was in the beginning with God.
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3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be. What came to be
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through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race;
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4 the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/943130/posts?page=3859#3859

"Made by" and "came to be through" are completely different things.

[ALS]

reality check
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/943130/posts?page=3781#3781

[MitchellC]

Science is no more than an extension of the ordinary inductions and deductions we make every day of our lives. It has no more philosophical basis than those everyday logical processes.

I agree; I'm not drawing any major distinction between everyday observation and "science." The problem, though, is that the everyday observations are already made with a basis of some, if not a whole lot, of errant assumptions taken into them, making the observation itself less than perfectly objective. So how can observation preceed all assumptions?

[Right Wing Professor]

Hate to repeat myself, but what assumptions does a 9 month old baby make?

[MitchellC]

Certain 'knowledge' (maybe not the right word - I'm not talking about it being articulable) is already imbued by the Creator, to my understanding. I don't know if it's imprinted on the individual at the moment of conception or not, but it is there.

[CobaltBlue]

>>never argue science with a scientist<<

He won't stop lecturing me on the meaning of the Constitution, despite the fact I had six hours of Constitutional Law as an undergrad, and eleven hours of Constitutional Law in law school (basic Constitutional Law, Constitutional Criminal Procedure, Federalism) (all A's in my con law classes, too) not to mention that many law school courses have Constitutional law issues, e.g., Civil Procedure (due process), Environmental Law (takings), Domestic Relations (full faith and credit) etc., etc., etc., and despite the fact that I am admitted to practice before the SCOTUS, and have actually won several appellate cases (state court only) on Constitution issues.

I just get lectured about how sucky lawyers are in general and how worthless the Supreme Court is in particular.

Why should I be the only one who gets no respect? ;^)

[f.Christian]

evo bible truth warp wrap poison spider cocoon placemaker !

[f.Christian]

evo ignorance bliss no design intelligence placemaker !

[CobaltBlue]

You mentioned four or five or maybe six sources, I went into detail about three of them - Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3-4 and John 1:10. After realizing how far apart we are and will remain, I am content to leave it at that.

[f.Christian]

not so missing link from man to God Jesus Christ placemaker !

[Right Wing Professor]

Why should I be the only one who gets no respect? ;^)

One quite remarkable distinction of the United States is that about 98% of the population is convinced they are authorities on Constitutional Law (whereas about the same percentage will happily admit they know no calculus). In the UK or Ireland, for example, no one but a solicitor or barrister will admit anything else than puzzlement about the law.

On the whole I think it's better that lay people at least try to understand legal principles, but it must make it hard to be a lawyer.

[Lurking Libertarian]

med med med med med med placemaker !

Worth repeating.

[MitchellC]

M: I see. But is it possible, in your opinion, that the researcher could share with all of his or her peers a bias that is in error and that, instead of being spotted and ironed out, ends up being pushed blindly?

J: In a large-enough group (and there are literally thousands of biologists alone), personal perceptions will run the entire spectrum. Hell, as can be seen from our Biblical discussions, personal perceptions run the entire gamut. No two people ever see the world in exactly the same way, but a fairly accurate view of reality can be gleaned from comparing each of those individual's perceptions. Hence, peer review.

So IDer/creationist/etc. objections to purely naturalistic attempts at explaining origins are not discounted out-of-hand by 'the mainstream' with a belief that there can be no Creator relevent to the process?

[CobaltBlue]

>>I can certainly defeat you in almost any debate<<

Did you ever hear the joke about a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent? Did you think they were talking about the other guy?

[conservababeJen]

"The thread has been peaceful. But soon ... very soon, it will be the time of the trolls!
Your only refuge is in Virtual Ignore!!

Has anyone called you an arrogant, pompous, blowhard ,jackass lately? Because they should.
I would, but I don't want to break the name-calling rules.

[RightWingNilla]

All you need for this analysis is the genomic clone of the GULO pseudogene from the other species. IT isnt necessary to have the entire genome sequence of the other apes to compare.

Also If I remember correctly, the guinea pig mutation has something to do with destruction of an exon boundary (completely unrelated mutation to that found in humans/apes). It is an old paper but I will try to find it.