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Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]
Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

Posted on 07/09/2003 12:08:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry

FORT WORTH, Texas - (KRT) -
The long-running debate over the origins of mankind continues Wednesday before the Texas State Board of Education, and the result could change the way science is taught here and across the nation.

Local and out-of-state lobbying groups will try to convince the board that the next generation of biology books should contain new scientific evidence that reportedly pokes holes in Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

Many of those groups say that they are not pushing to place a divine creator back into science books, but to show that Darwin's theory is far from a perfect explanation of the origin of mankind.

"It has become a battle ground," said Eugenie Scott, executive director of theNational Center of Science Education, which is dedicated to defending the teaching of evolution in the classroom.

Almost 45 scientists, educators and special interest groups from across the state will testify at the state's first public hearing this year on the next generation of textbooks for the courses of biology, family and career studies and English as a Second Language.

Approved textbooks will be available for classrooms for the 2004-05 school year. And because Texas is the second largest textbook buyer in the nation, the outcome could affect education nationwide.

The Texas Freedom Network and a handful of educators held a conference call last week to warn that conservative Christians and special interest organizations will try to twist textbook content to further their own views.

"We are seeing the wave of the future of religious right's attack on basic scientific principles," said Samantha Smoot, executive director of the network, an anti-censorship group and opponent of the radical right.

Those named by the network disagree with the claim, including the Discovery Institute and its Science and Culture Center of Seattle.

"Instead of wasting time looking at motivations, we wish people would look at the facts," said John West, associate director of the center.

"Our goal nationally is to encourage schools and educators to include more about evolution, including controversies about various parts of Darwinian theory that exists between even evolutionary scientists," West said. "We are a secular think tank."

The institute also is perhaps the nation's leading proponent of intelligent design - the idea that life is too complex to have occurred without the help of an unknown, intelligent being.

It pushed this view through grants to teachers and scientists, including Michael J. Behe, professor of biological sciences at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania. The Institute receives millions of dollars from philanthropists and foundations dedicated to discrediting Darwin's theory.

The center sent the state board a 55-page report that graded 11 high school biology textbooks submitted for adoption. None earned a grade above a C minus. The report also includes four arguments it says show that evolutionary theory is not as solid as presented in biology textbooks.

Discovery Institute Fellow Raymond Bohlin, who also is executive director of Probe Ministries, based in Richardson, Texas, will deliver that message in person Wednesday before the State Board of Education. Bohlin has a doctorate degree in molecular cell biology from the University of Texas at Dallas.

"If we can simply allow students to see that evolution is not an established fact, that leaves freedom for students to pursue other ideas," Bohlin said. "All I can do is continue to point these things out and hopefully get a group that hears and sees relevant data and insist on some changes."

The executive director of Texas Citizens for Science, Steven Schafersman, calls the institute's information "pseudoscience nonsense." Schafersman is an evolutionary scientist who, for more than two decades, taught biology, geology, paleontology and environmental science at a number of universities, including the University of Houston and the University of Texas of the Permian Basin.

"It sounds plausible to people who are not scientifically informed," Schafersman said. "But they are fraudulently trying to deceive board members. They might succeed, but it will be over the public protests of scientists."

The last time Texas looked at biology books, in 1997, the State Board of Education considered replacing them all with new ones that did not mention evolution. The board voted down the proposal by a slim margin.

The state requires that evolution be in textbooks. But arguments against evolution have been successful over the last decade in other states. Alabama, New Mexico and Nebraska made changes that, to varying degrees, challenge the pre-eminence of evolution in the scientific curriculum.

In 1999, the Kansas Board of Education voted to wash the concepts of evolution from the state's science curricula. A new state board has since put evolution back in. Last year, the Cobb County school board in Georgia voted to include creationism in science classes.

Texas education requirements demand that textbooks include arguments for and against evolution, said Neal Frey, an analyst working with perhaps Texas' most famous textbook reviewers, Mel and Norma Gabler.

The Gablers, of Longview, have been reviewing Texas textbooks for almost four decades. They describe themselves as conservative Christians. Some of their priorities include making sure textbooks include scientific flaws in arguments for evolution.

"None of the texts truly conform to the state's requirements that the strengths and weaknesses of scientific theories be presented to students," Frey said.

The Texas textbook proclamation of 2001, which is part of the standard for the state's curriculum, Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, requires that biology textbooks instruct students so they may "analyze, review and critique scientific explanations, including hypotheses and theories, as to their strengths and weakness using scientific evidence and information."

The state board is empowered to reject books only for factual errors or for not meeting the state's curriculum requirements. If speakers convince the state board that their evidence is scientifically sound, members may see little choice but to demand its presence in schoolbooks.

Proposed books already have been reviewed and approved by Texas Tech University. After a public hearing Wednesday and another Sept. 10, the state board is scheduled to adopt the new textbooks in November.

Satisfying the state board is only half the battle for textbook publishers. Individual school districts choose which books to use and are reimbursed by the state unless they buy texts rejected by the state board.

Districts can opt not to use books with passages they find objectionable. So when speakers at the public hearings criticize what they perceived as flaws in various books - such as failing to portray the United States or Christianity in a positive light - many publishers listen.

New books will be distributed next summer.

State Board member Terri Leo said the Discovery Institute works with esteemed scientists and that their evidence should be heard.

"You cannot teach students how to think if you don't present both sides of a scientific issue," Leo said. "Wouldn't you think that the body that has the responsibility of what's in the classroom would look at all scientific arguments?"

State board member Bob Craig said he had heard of the Intelligent Design theory.

"I'm going in with an open mind about everybody's presentation," Craig said. "I need to hear their presentation before I make any decisions or comments.

State board member Mary Helen Berlanga said she wanted to hear from local scientists.

"If we are going to discuss scientific information in the textbooks, the discussion will have to remain scientific," Berlanga said. "I'd like to hear from some of our scientists in the field on the subject."


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To: exmarine
But the prediction was made before the evidence was found... at least in the case of the cosmic background radiation. This, it would seem to me, is far stronger evidence in support of the theory than finding the radiation and trying to explain it.
201 posted on 07/09/2003 3:13:50 PM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: Junior; Dataman; gore3000; f.Christian; JesseShurun; NewLand; Alamo-Girl; goodseedhomeschool; ...
In this thread, you said:

Creationism is a religious/political movement which threatens to marginalize the conservative movement
9 posted on 07/09/2003 2:25 PM CDT by Junior


Then you said:

Simply because it might gore a sacred cow or two does not mean it should be singled out for special treatment. If that were the case, I think quantum theory should be banished from school curriculums as it gives me pounding headaches.
99 posted on 07/09/2003 3:58 PM CDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")



Conservatism has always been about religion and politics. Only you guys put your "science" agenda above those two.
This website is supposed to be about furthering conservatism. The founder even recently (twice that I know) made it clear the goal here was to defeat liberals and further conservatives. None of your behavior even comes close to either of those two goals. In fact, pushing evolution, especially in the manner that you do it, furthers liberals, who mostly hold to the identically same belief systems as most evolutionists do. As Ann Coulter recently pointed out, "Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods". Your entire premise, agenda, goal and behavior is in direct odds with what most conservatives are, and have been, just as much as the recent SCOTUS decisions are at odds with the 14th Amendment.
Am I claiming all evolutionists are liberals? Hardly. But most are, and most conservatives are christians. The belief that evolution is universally accepted is a self-serving self-deceiving empty banner. And certainly most conservatives harbor no happiness in having their faith or God being treated and guffawed at in the manner you evolutionists on FR are more often than not, doing. Denial is absurd. Redefining your statements that are taken ill by those they are directed at is nonsense. On the whole, but not in every case, the offended defines what is offensive. When you are confronted by the offended, you just take license to claim the offended is playing the victim or too stipud to comprehend your most annointed definition.

In the first post you say what many darwinites have said when cornered. Your biggest fear is that YOU will be marginalized. You somehow have obtained the "swamp gas" notion that truth, regardless of source, is something to fear. "Truth" must be dispensed through a narrow slit posessed only by those that exhibit few signs of real conservatism, want nothing or very little to do with religion, and spend more time fretting over self-conjured strawmen than politics. It is precisely as if you all had an agenda. And that agenda has absolutely nothing to do with conservative politics, as pointed out by a poster above.

In your 2nd post, you wish to take up the absurdity of the very basis of point put forth by you in the first post.

So which is it?
Is it wrong to single religion/creationism/ID for "special treatment" or not?




Doubtful the question put forth will be answered as it was given, so you all may continue the character assassination of christians. I just wanted to point out a few patterns of consistent inconsistencies by those who can hardly spare a post without insults to God and His believers, while patting each other on the back about how great you all are, and how pathetically dumb everyone else is.
202 posted on 07/09/2003 3:14:12 PM PDT by ALS (http://designeduniverse.com Featuring original works by FR's best. contact me to add yours!)
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To: Junior
However, evolution is fact in that it has been observed (organisms changing over generations)

hog-wash...evolution has never been observed. Pictures and wild speculation does not equate to truth.

203 posted on 07/09/2003 3:14:53 PM PDT by HalfFull
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To: Long Cut
The poster of the thread pinged those with whom he wanted to discuss the posted story.

Then you might recognize this invocation ---- *crevo_list

204 posted on 07/09/2003 3:15:06 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Junior
Currently there are numerous competing hypoetheses of how life arose (my money's on the one with the interstellar dust clouds...

I can do Christianity...but life from interstellar dust clouds requires more faith than I posess.

By the way...do you know what an "interstellar dust cloud" is, or did you pick it because it sounds so cool. In fact...it would be a great name for a rock band. Sorry Dave Barry.

205 posted on 07/09/2003 3:16:20 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Just asking...)
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To: Long Cut
Also ...

evolutionist use random and natural interchangeably ...

aren't they opposites ---

is that what evolution does ---

change rubber into gold !

That was alchemy ---

artificial gold is too costly (( trickery )) ...

so is artificial science (( brain rot )) !

How many lies can dance on the head of pin --- infinite !
206 posted on 07/09/2003 3:16:29 PM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: HalfFull
So, the mutation and selection of antibiotic-resistant bacteria or pesticide-resistant pests does not count as observed evolution?
207 posted on 07/09/2003 3:17:40 PM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: CobaltBlue
Saying "we don't know how it happened so God did it via special creation" isn't science

likewise saying, "we don't know how it happend, so evolution must be true" is not science. Evolution is just another religion, no matter how much it's followers wish it to be true.

208 posted on 07/09/2003 3:18:20 PM PDT by HalfFull
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To: AndrewC
Yep. Also the "This is for the "evolution" side of the crevo list ONLY" marker.
209 posted on 07/09/2003 3:18:33 PM PDT by Long Cut
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To: Junior
ex·plo·sion   Audio pronunciation of "explosion" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (k-splzhn)
n.
    1. A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases.

The strong force is a nuclear force, the universe has been cooling, and the preponderance of matter in the universe is hydrogen.

210 posted on 07/09/2003 3:18:52 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
Can you give an example of your difficulty in deciding whether something is alive or not alive?

Hillary.

211 posted on 07/09/2003 3:19:59 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Just asking...)
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To: Onelifetogive
Interstellar dust clouds are typically made of hyrdrogen and left-over debris of supernovas and other such astronomical events. Spectroscopic analysis of such clouds has revealed the presence of amino acids, the building blocks of life. Apparently, such organic chemicals are fairly common in the universe.
212 posted on 07/09/2003 3:20:05 PM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: Junior
So, the mutation and selection of antibiotic-resistant bacteria or pesticide-resistant pests does not count as observed evolution?

Unless you define evolution as variation within species and no more, it is not proof of "observed evolution".

213 posted on 07/09/2003 3:20:59 PM PDT by HalfFull
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To: exmarine
What other way is there in the absence of God? One has to assume that order came from chaos (which is what explosions are).

One can believe in God and in the Big Bang theory. I do; C.S. Lewis did [not that I put myself in his league.] :-)

And calling the Big Bang an "explosion" is not really accurate, although it's used in most simplified explanations; certainly it was nothing like any "explosion" we're familiar with.

214 posted on 07/09/2003 3:23:08 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Long Cut
Yep. Also the "This is for the "evolution" side of the crevo list ONLY" marker.

Aside from seeming to indicate that no debate is desired, the comment you made neglects to mention what one sees on the page that directs one to a posting.

 

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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
2 posted on 07/09/2003 2:09 PM CDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)

There is no mention of limitation that I can see in the above.

215 posted on 07/09/2003 3:24:39 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Dealing with the evolution mind is troublesome ...

because their version perception processes are unstable ---

unlimited // infinite (( nature of the theory )) ...

just fresh ways to obliterate - deny reality ...

spin yarn - stories !
216 posted on 07/09/2003 3:26:06 PM PDT by f.Christian (( bring it on ... crybabies // bullies - wimps - camp guards for darwin - marx - satan ))
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To: Onelifetogive
Hillary.

You can ignore something that is dead.

...

...

Well maybe not, she does stink.

217 posted on 07/09/2003 3:26:46 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
A point except that they are made up of living cells that do self-replicate.

Again you use the word living as part of the definition of life. You were on firmer ground when limiting yourself to metabolism.

But the question started out as asking a question about troubles drawing a distinction between life and non-life. You have drawn a reasonable line, but its placement is arbitrary. Living things have lots of characteristics that diverve from non-living. You have simply cut the baby in half.

218 posted on 07/09/2003 3:27:29 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Junior
Apparently, such organic chemicals are fairly common in the universe.

Which gives significant credence to the panspermia hypothesis for the origin of life on Earth.

219 posted on 07/09/2003 3:27:42 PM PDT by balrog666 (When in doubt, tell the truth. - Mark Twain)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I don't think the Democrats have to. This issue comes up in states with proportionately enormous Republican parties (Kansas and Texas) where the two factions both feel strongly about the issue and are willing to fight within the party over it. It's inevitable because creationists are nowhere close to a majority in the state or necessarily within the party, but then they control the levers of power through primaries for school board elections that most voters ignore.
220 posted on 07/09/2003 3:28:46 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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