Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[PatrickHenry]

This is a quote from Ann Coulter's new book, Treason, Page 291-292:

America's enemies, from Soviet spies to terrorists, have been defined by their effortless ability to lie. Ronald Reagan said of Soviet Communism: "The only morality they recognize is what will further their cause, meaning they reserve unto themselves the right to commit any crime, to lie, to cheat." And Ehud Barak said of Muslim terrorists: "They don't suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in Judeo-Christian culture. Truth is seen as an irrelevant category. There is only that which serves your purpose and that which doesn't. There is no such thing as 'the truth.' "

[ALS]

Here's one from a recent interview:

Ann Coulter bowled me over when I asked her the following question: "Ann, why do liberals hate conservatives in 2003 America?"


Her answer was a simple one, and then the clock ran out and she was gone. But that simple answer stirred the pot, and it echoed what this column had proclaimed merely weeks ago.


"Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods," came the reply.
http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33427

..coincidence?

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Baloney. The court cases speak for themselves.

But judges can be removed or voted out. Creationism could be taught in schools if we Christians could get past our petty differences. If 73% of Americans identify themselves as Church-going Christians, how does the vast left wing conspiracy continue to control government and school curricula?

[bondserv]

how does the vast left wing conspiracy continue to control government and school curricula?

The Prince of this world openly manipulating free will agents.

How else can we explain suicide bombers. These people are willing to die fighting God. NEA, ACLU, NOW, Media, University leadership...

Moral people are busy taking care of themselves, their children and the burdens of their brethren.

[JesseShurun]

Hillary , "When I am appointed dictator, um,, I mean, elected, presidente, I will not keep files on the VRWC, which does not exist, and I will not hold grudges against any Christian fundamentalists", gravemarker:

[CobaltBlue]

>>You are basically saying that creationism is science, when you know for a fact that it's not. <<

Actually, I think what they're saying is this (can't get "equals not" to work so will try If Then)

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If creation is religion
Then evolution is religion

But:

If evolution is science
Then creation is science
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Corollary (I think)
If evolution is not science
Then creationism is not science

In other words it's a sort of tit-for-tat tautology. That's why no substance.

[CobaltBlue]

Oooh and aaah over unctuous charlatans placemarker.

I like the way it rolls trippingly off the tongue.

[CobaltBlue]

Did it ever occur to you to ask yourself how many Christians are fundamentalist creationists?

Is it possible that your definition of Christian is faulty?

[JesseShurun]

Creationist loking for big banana in its genes Marky Mark placemarker:

[NewLand]

Any comments?

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CROSSWALK.COM'S CHERYL JOHNSTON:
Where does science meet faith?

KEN BOA: There are four different views. Science as being contrary to Christianity is one, or another view is that it's not just in conflict, but that they're talked about as two different areas. There's some that say that science and faith work very well together. Some are more cautionary. I'm actually very excited about where science is going. I just did a Monday night study, on science and Scripture, an eight-part series, on molecular biology to cosmogony. I think it's an exciting place, time, to live because we live now in a culture, in a world, where technology is driving us to a greater realization that the world really is exquisitely crafted, beautifully designed, rich in information, both in information-rich macro-molecules, as well as the information in the fine-tuning of the cosmos and the irreducible complexity of living systems and the systematic or the whole idea of specified complexity of the information that's in the human genome, in proteins, even on a simpler level on large-scale systems, and it's exciting. Maybe it's this, that my suspicion is that God seems to increase the evidence as disbelief increases

[JesseShurun]

Waco-ey bump!!! (What are those cwazy lil Christianoids 'fraid of? I'm a funtime girl!!!)

[PatrickHenry]

Roaring toward 1500 P L A C E M A R K E R

[balrog666]

Need examples of court cases? There are many communities that WANT TO TEACH Creationism but the courts and the govt. schools say no to the will of the people.

Let me rephrase that to be more accurate:

Need examples of court cases? There are many communities that WANT TO TEACH Creationism to other people's children but the courts and the govt. schools say no to the will of the people extremists.

And the rest of us thank them for doing their jobs!

[NewLand]

CORRECTED STATEMENT:

Need examples of court cases? There are many communities that WANT TO TEACH Creationism but the courts and the govt. schools bow down to the demands of the liberals.

[Virginia-American]

[pseudo-gene for ascorbic acid]...It happened when both were created by the Creator. ...

OK, so this alleged 'creator' deliberately made us, chimps, gorillas et al subject to scurvy? But not monkeys, or dogs, or platypuses, or any other mammal (except guinea pigs, which have a different mutation).

Why just the great apes? Why the exact same mutation? Is the alleged 'creator' deliberately trying to fool us?

[balrog666]

Is the alleged 'creator' deliberately trying to fool us?

Is the alleged 'creator' deliberately testing the fundamentalists?

[Virginia-American]

... insults, stupid drawings, bones lined up to support wishfull thinking, baseless assumptions, ....

...and the same genetic mistake in all the great apes, including us, but nowhere else.

[Virginia-American]

...all theories should be included in a textbook...

How about nonstandard theories of archeology, such as Afrocentrism (the claim that the Greeks stole science and philosophy from Egypt, that Socrates was black, etc). This abomination is actually being taught in schools (including colleges!) right now.

[VadeRetro]

Truth is seen as an irrelevant category. There is only that which serves your purpose and that which doesn't.

Hey! I've heard someone arguing that way on these threads lately. Hmmmm. Who could it be now?

[CobaltBlue]

>>Is the alleged 'creator' deliberately trying to fool us?<<

Not possible because it's contrary to scripture. James 1:13

"Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."

I think the standard creationist statement to insert here is that the Devil does tempt man, but that begs the question, did the Devil create man and the apes? No? Did the Devil create the need in man and apes for Vitamin C? No? Sure? No fooling?

Well, then, it's a mystery. A great mystery.