Biology textbook hearings prompt science disputes [Texas]

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | 08 July 2003 | MATT FRAZIER

[Aric2000]

then how come we find modern fossils under the so called "older ones".


Sorry goodseed, don't mean to be a spoilsport, but it AIN'T happened.

If you would be so kind as to provide a source for such information, I would appreciate it.

If a younger fossil were found UNDER an older fossil in the same location and strata, it would disprove evolution in a heartbeat, scientists would be having fits trying to figure out how it got there, and it would be ALL over the news, NOT just the fundamentalist sites.

Give me a RELIABLE UNBIASED source for such a claim and I will take a look at it.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post!

The math supporting the "6 day v 15 billion year" reconciliation is contained in the linked Schroeder article. It is a standard computation but of course, is seldom viewed with regard to the Torah - which doesn't surprise me because I wouldn't expect most scientists to compare notes with Scriptures.

Nor do I see anything in the Bible to suggest a dual perspective.

I submit the following passage wherein Jesus explains that God is the speaker of Scripture, that we ought to discern the meaning of what is in the Scripture, and that God is not positioned at our space/time coordinates - on our timeline which leads to death (emphasis mine):

Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. - Matthew 22:29-32

If you'd like more Scriptural references, please let me know.

[js1138]

We could go on and on, or about Horus resurrecting his father Osiris, or Krishna raising someone from the dead, or Odin hanging himself from the Yggdrasil and gaining knowledge as a result(a form of resurrection) or Ishtar and Tammuz...

I hope there is an understanding here among those who think that questioning volution will bring about a win for a certain demonination of Christianity -- this is what you have to look forward to. Now if conservatives could work together for school choice...

[Junior]

Maceplarker

[f.Christian]

Evolution is an urban legend popular among the unscientific who don't know a theory from fact !

Real science is coming ... designeduniverse.com --- evolution is a fraud pepetuated by the ignorant !

Just reading the Bible the founding fathers plainly knew this beast would arrive and cover - tyrannize the nation but we would have to deal with it ... so we are -- will !

designeduniverse.com ... the obituary of evolution penned by freepers ...

yours truly !

[js1138]

If a younger fossil were found UNDER an older fossil in the same location and strata...

No fair. You are ignoring folded strata.

[js1138]

I don't doubt you can privide them, but you are preaching to the choir here. I may not share your exact perspective on things, but I am not the one who asserts science is incompatible with religion.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your support of ALS' new website! I'm privileged to be a contributor there. Hugs!!!

[Aric2000]

That's explainable, folded strata is a geologically obvious and ANY geologist worth his or her salt will point it out, but if you have a strata, call it a straight strata, the older ones lie under the newer ones just as they are supposed to, and all of a sudden what should be a young fossil shows up UNDER what is supposed to be an older fossil, then evolution is in trouble.

I see this claim made by fundamentalists a LOT, but I have yet see ANY proof of this assertion at all.

[js1138]

the site seems to be down at the moment. the links aren't working.

[balrog666]

I see this claim made by fundamentalists a LOT, but I have yet see ANY proof of this assertion at all.

Or any evidence either.

[BMCDA]

Oh please, gimme a brake. You don't really think that, do you?
I as well as others like VadeRetro, PatrickHenry and whattajoke have alreay pointed out to you why a written debate is better than an oral one.
In an oral debate you have very little time to prepare a thorough answer to every point that is raised by your opponent and you can't go to your bookshelve or computer to look someting up if needed. Also, you can come up with several claims in no time at all but it needs a lot more time if you want to address each one of them in an adequate manner and not only scratch the surface.
And here is the problem: you have only a short time for your answers and so you cannot go into great detail. In most cases however, a short answer won't do but if you try to give a more detailed response you're going to bore the audience that isn't interested in minutiae.

So I hope you see that a stage is not a place where the validity of such important scentific issues is determined.

[js1138]

OK, I got to designeduniverse.com and found this:

In contrast, the Duke study generated 97 percent to 100 percent bootstrap support in its nuclear gene comparisons of animals representing all three mammalian groups. Mammals they studied included the platypus, echidna, opossum, wallaby, hedgehog, mouse, rat, rabbit, cow, pig, bat, tree shrew, colugo, ringtail lemur and humans.

"This is the first molecular evolutionary study that seriously and powerfully says the paleontologists have been right all along in grouping mammals the way they did," said Killian. "It turns out that common sense is correct."

Interesting...

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so much for your post! I am not asserting that science is incompatible with religion either.

I do believe that metaphysical naturalists (atheists) should have no control over science for the same reason the Church should have no control over science.

Likewise, metaphysical naturalists should have no say in the theories and meaning gathered from "doing" science as published in peer-reviewed journals.

Beyond the journals, all ideologies and religions (including atheism) can and will gather meaning from the science based on their own beliefs.

My two cents...

[longshadow]

"A relatively free of Squirming, Wildly-Elliptical Trolls" placemarker

[f.Christian]

Wht are cambrian plates ON mountains and in the pre cambrian LOWER layers there are no fossils ... oj gloves slipping off too easy ?

Are placemakers the same as dogs pissing on fireplugs !

Evo cou ? --- couties !

[ThinkPlease]

It's a weekend! placemarker

[js1138]

I like your site. It has a lot of good stuff supporting evolution.

[Alamo-Girl]

LOLOL! I'm glad you are enjoying it.

[f.Christian]

enchilada ... estra cheese - sauce --- yummy !

I'm into stromboli - calzoni !