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Race Relations on the 4th of July

Posted on 07/09/2003 6:42:27 AM PDT by trifona

What is with the revisionist history concerning the Civil War Confederate Battle Flag?

People in general (ie those ignorant of the history and/or those ignoring crucial parts of it) associate it with the continuation slavery, whereas Civil War buffs look to it as a symbol of the fight for States Rights vs unfettered Federalism. As a fan of Civil War History I by no means support slavery, and by no means did most Confederate soldiers enlist in order to die to protect that institution.

When I was in Gettysburg over the holiday, all sorts of memorabilia was available, including a multitude of items with the Confederate Battle Flag.

At the National Civil War Museum in Harrisburg, in what seemed like a fit of political correctness, The Battle Flag was nowhere to be seen. I purchased a mouse pad there which featured all of the Flags of The C.S.A (Confederate States of America), but was disappointed that the Battle Flag was omitted.

It seems like race relations in this country are at an all time low, hypocrisy runs rampant, and whites are pushed to do anything in order to avoid being called racists.

Look at what Dusty Baker said this week. If a white mgr had said that, he'd be fired on the spot, and made to apologize on national TV for offending black people. It is true that those with darker skin are more protected by the sun's rays, but I don't think a white would be able to get away with saying that his black players did not perform very well because they were playing in the cold, dark evening.

Most if not all blacks wouldn't even recognize the flag of the CSA. The Stars & Bars were used in battle because the flag of the CSA too closely resembled the Flag of the USA.

My wife and I both remarked while on vacation that we didn't notice any black people in either Gettysburg or the National Civil War Museum. In total we saw 2 black teenagers browsing a gift shop in Gettysburg but that was all. It blew us both away. What we did see was several non-white families at the Battlefield though; reading the plaques in their native tongues and describing the course of events to their children. Observing that made me proud to see non-white Europeans learning about the history of their adopted country; and also proud to see that our history does indeed transcend racial lines.

As Dusty Baker might say, I would have expected more black families (even 1!) to be at the National Park given that it was sunny and 95+ degrees while we were there. It was the 4th of July, our nation's birthday, and to not see any blacks at the hallowed ground that hosted one of the key battles that preserved our country. It was very disappointing considering just how many people were there...to give you a clue...we were parked in overflow parking lot number 3 near the visitor's center....there were thousands of cars there. It is even more disturbing to see the lack of (any) black people there considering just how important an event the Civil War was to our country. Yes, they may consider the Confederates as all being slave owners, but many Northern soldiers died to preserve the Union as well as set them free.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: confederacy; dustybaker; gettysburg; racism
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1 posted on 07/09/2003 6:42:27 AM PDT by trifona
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2 posted on 07/09/2003 6:44:33 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: trifona
It makes me sad, but about all I can say is we're used to it. Day to day, bit by bit, My heritage, my history, already distorted, is slowly disappearing. Even Bush has helped somewhat those dastardly forces of PC-evil in this matter.
3 posted on 07/09/2003 6:50:25 AM PDT by twstearman
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To: trifona; stainlessbanner; wardaddy; Constitution Day
"My wife and I both remarked while on vacation that we didn't notice any
black people in either Gettysburg or the National Civil War Museum."
....I go to Gettysburg about once a year; Sharpsburg[Antietum] more than that.....I never see any Black people there....
4 posted on 07/09/2003 6:58:02 AM PDT by STONEWALLS
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To: trifona
What we did see was several non-white families at the Battlefield though; reading the plaques in their native tongues and describing the course of events to their children. Observing that made me proud to see non-white Europeans learning about the history of their adopted country; and also proud to see that our history does indeed transcend racial lines.
In what native tongues were these non-white Europeans speaking?
5 posted on 07/09/2003 7:10:48 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: STONEWALLS
The new $95M G'burg visitors center focused on slavery (not the battle, mind you) is intended to increase the number of black visitors.

Source: U.S. Corrects 'Southern Bias' at Civil War Sites

6 posted on 07/09/2003 7:11:35 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: trifona
I purchased a mouse pad there which featured all of the Flags of The C.S.A (Confederate States of America), but was disappointed that the Battle Flag was omitted.

Get your money back! I have a beautiful 5 flag desk set with first/second/third national, naval jack, and the bonnie blue!

7 posted on 07/09/2003 7:13:21 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: drjimmy
"In what native tongues were these non-white Europeans speaking?

I saw a few families from the Orient as well as at least a couple from India (best I could tell).

8 posted on 07/09/2003 7:40:10 AM PDT by trifona
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To: trifona
I saw a few families from the Orient as well as at least a couple from India (best I could tell).
Then you might want to rethink the description of them as "non-white Europeans," since they would be of Asian descent (I'd also be curious to know how you were able to tell that this is their "adopted country.") And if you want something from the National Civil War Museum with the C.S.A battle flag, the website shows that they sell a Confederate artillery T-shirt with the battle flag on it. They may have more items with the flag, but that's the only one I saw on a quick online look through the gift shop.
9 posted on 07/09/2003 7:58:35 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: trifona
Well, all I can really say is Thank God Beauvoir in Gulfport hasn't slipped that far. A huge Confederate flag greets visitors before they even get to the driveway.

Smallish store, though, but full of interesting goodies. If you haven't visited it yet, it's well worth doing sometime.
10 posted on 07/09/2003 8:59:07 AM PDT by twstearman
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To: twstearman
It makes me sad and angry that my history and heritage is being distorted too. Apparently PC means that I must be sensitive to others but others are allowed to trample all over me. I'm sick of it.

ATTENTION TEXAS PARENTS - Here's a perfect example of history being changed to suit a group's agenda. To be PC, Texas had to scrounge through the deep dark dusty corners of history to find someone, anyone, and raised William Goyens to the heights of Texas Black Hero/Runaway Slave Made Good. The current school history texts, as well as the Daughters of the Texas Revolution, tout Goyens as our only famous black, or at least they fail to acknowlege any other famous blacks in history. Texas Monthly's "the best educated education chairman in modern time", State Representative Dan Kubiak cranked out a short book (I have my own opinion cough, votes, cough as to why he wrote on someone who was a forgotten footnote in history) titled, "Monument to a Black Man" but (imo, again) it's plagiarism from previously incorrect plagiarized sources - garbage in, garbage out. It's been a couple years since I read the book (checked out of the high school library) and I think he admitted it wasn't researched (um, hello! no wonder our students can't use their own reasoning and ideas to write reports). The zinger is that Goyens was NOT black, much less a runaway slave! Goyens was a Melungeon. Yeah, I know, you never heard of Melungeons, so do a quick search and learn something today and then explain to your kids to use their brains rather than to automatically believe everything their textbooks or teachers say.

11 posted on 07/09/2003 8:59:58 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: drjimmy
"I saw a few families from the Orient as well as at least a couple from India (best I could tell). Then you might want to rethink the description of them as "non-white Europeans," since they would be of Asian descent "

Yes of course...i meant non-white non-Europeans. That's what I get for typing @ work.

12 posted on 07/09/2003 10:24:11 AM PDT by trifona
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To: stainlessbanner
"Get your money back! I have a beautiful 5 flag desk set with first/second/third national, naval jack, and the bonnie blue!"

I'd like to know where that is available for purchase. Thanks.

13 posted on 07/09/2003 10:26:30 AM PDT by trifona
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To: drjimmy
"And if you want something from the National Civil War Museum with the C.S.A battle flag, the website shows that they sell a Confederate artillery T-shirt with the battle flag on it. "

Well I'm sad to say that they did not display it at the actual store while I was there.

14 posted on 07/09/2003 10:28:08 AM PDT by trifona
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To: trifona
I believe I bought mine here or call 800 215 4886

The wood base is nicely cut and a golden plaque with C.S.A. is on the front of the base. The flags are good quality with gold trim around the sides. You can customize with any variation of flags you like.

15 posted on 07/09/2003 10:43:58 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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