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To: hellinahandcart
hiahc:
"Show me where I said anything other than that he was accused."

Okay, here you go....

hiahc, from post #8:
"He broke the law! He solicited a minor for sex and was presented with a warrant."

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hiahc:
"Well, if he'd only gone with the local police to the station when they showed up with a warrant, the "machine guns, helos, and armored vehicles" would never have arrived."

Every indication is that the cops showed up with all the heavy hardware when they served the warrant. You seem to think Barney Fife politely knocked on Woodring's front door, and was sprayed with bullets or something.

Again, we're talking about soliciting, a misdemeanor charge. We're also talking about a man that had already voluntarily appeared and given a statement to the police on the matter. Did the police call him and ask him to come down to the station again? Nope. They saw a chance for a publicity circus, the arrest of militia member with the SWAT team, helos and armored vehicles, and as a result of their lust for face time with the TV cameras, a state trooper is dead and a man accused of a misdemeanor is desperate and on the run.

67 posted on 07/09/2003 7:16:29 AM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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To: Vigilant1
A misdemeanor charge? Where did you find that--other than the militia boards, that is. The Free Press, among other media sources, says it was a felony warrant:

State Trooper Kevin Marshall, 33, died after he was shot as he and other State Police officers tried to enter the home Monday. Police said Woodring threatened police from Hesperia when they tried to serve him a felony warrant for soliciting a minor for immoral purposes.

http://www.freep.com/news/mich/stand9_20030709.htm

72 posted on 07/09/2003 7:22:20 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Vigilant1
Every indication is that the cops showed up with all the heavy hardware when they served the warrant.

Well, from yesterday's reports:

Scott Woodring has been holding police at bay at his home on Osborn Avenue since Sunday night. Police say the standoff began when they tried to serve Woodring a warrant for solicitation of prostitution. Police removed Woodring's wife from the home, but he barricaded himself inside, warning early on he had a gun.

Police retreated, calling in reinforcement and heavy artillery. Negotiations soon followed, hours later police felt they had an opportunity to go into the home. Woodring was standing inside with a gun and shot at officers, grazing one of the men and fatally wounding Kevin Marshall.

You seem to think Barney Fife politely knocked on Woodring's front door, and was sprayed with bullets or something.

That's exactly what it sounds like.

73 posted on 07/09/2003 7:24:38 AM PDT by wysiwyg (What parts of "right of the people" and "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?)
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To: Vigilant1
That was rintense. R I N T E N S E. See how it's spelled differently than H E L L I N A H A N D C A R T?

Anyway:

Every indication is that the cops showed up with all the heavy hardware when they served the warrant.

Where do you get that? Every story so far tells that police from the Hesperia and Fremont police attempted to serve the arrest warrant and only called in the state troopers after he barricaded himself in. Fremont and Hesperia are tiny towns, how much heavy hardware do you think they can afford?

You seem to think Barney Fife politely knocked on Woodring's front door, and was sprayed with bullets or something.Not at all. I'm familiar with the timeline. The trooper wasn't killed until roughly 24 hours into the standoff, by which time Barney Fife had been out of the picture for quite a while.

81 posted on 07/09/2003 7:32:55 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Vigilant1
"They saw a chance for a publicity circus..."

That would seem to be the case.

Chief Wiggins screwed up.

84 posted on 07/09/2003 7:43:18 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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