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Police unable to locate barricaded man in burned home's rubble {raid on Michigan Militia Chaplin}
AP via MLive.com (Ann Arbor News) ^ | 7/9/2003 | JAMES PRICHARD

Posted on 07/09/2003 5:52:58 AM PDT by Vigilant1

DAYTON TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) ? Fire burned the rural home of a man who barricaded himself inside during a deadly police standoff, but authorities were unable to find him when they searched the rubble, Michigan State Police said.

Two hours after the Tuesday afternoon fire, officials found a backpack filled with food and ammunition about three-quarters of a mile away, said Tracy Pardo, a state police communications officer.

The wife of the barricaded man, Scott Allen Woodring, 40, identified the backpack as her husband's, Pardo told the Detroit Free Press for a Wednesday story.

State police said Woodring was believed to be inside when they fired a concussion grenade into the house, which went up in flames a short time later. They were uncertain whether the explosive device, intended to stun Woodring, started the fire or if he set it.

State police scheduled a news conference for Wednesday morning.

Trooper Kevin Marshall, a 33-year-old married father of two and a native of Sterling Heights, was shot Monday afternoon during the standoff. He died later during surgery at a Grand Rapids hospital.

State police were called in after the confrontation erupted Sunday night.

Woodring barricaded himself when officers from the Hesperia Police Department and the Newaygo County Sheriff's Department tried to serve him at his Dayton Township home with a felony arrest warrant. The township is adjacent to Fremont, about 30 miles northeast of Muskegon.

The warrant accuses Woodring of soliciting a minor for sex on July 1 at a gas station, The Grand Rapids Press reported.

Several hours into the standoff, police helped Woodring's wife escape the home, leaving him alone inside.

After Woodring allegedly fired two shots from the house on Monday afternoon, the State Police Emergency Support Team stormed inside and then withdrew. Marshall, an eight-year state police veteran who served on the team, was shot at that time.

When asked whether Marshall could have been hit by a bullet shot by another officer, state police Inspector Barry Getzen said the matter remained under investigation and authorities would examine evidence to "determine what rounds the officer was hit with."

Tom Wayne, former chief of staff and executive officer of the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines, told The Detroit News that Woodring was active in the group until the mid-1990s. They parted ways over ideological differences.

"He started getting more and more into the Christian Identity movement," said Wayne, who said the militia is largely inactive now.

The movement espouses racist, sexist, anti-Semitic and homophobic beliefs.

Woodring's sister, Debbie DeVisser, of Mount Pleasant, described her brother as a deeply religious man who would help anyone and not ask for anything in return.

Asked if she thought he would shoot at someone, DeVisser said, "Scott would not shoot anybody to harm anybody. The only reason he would have shot (at police) was because he felt threatened and to protect himself."

DeVisser said she wished police had allowed family members to talk to Woodring on Tuesday and speculated that family may have been able to talk him out. Relatives were allowed to converse with him on Monday, the same day police said they last spoke with him during the standoff.

Suzie Burdick, of Everett Township in Newaygo County, said she and Woodring have been close friends for five years. She said they have attended the same church for about a year and often spoke several times a day, mostly about the Bible.

Burdick noted that while Woodring holds strong anti-government views, he was a nonviolent person.

"He's the most loving person I've ever known, just about. He's kind, considerate, loving, caring and loved his wife dearly," Burdick said.

Meanwhile, Gov. Jennifer Granholm has ordered flags at all state buildings to be lowered to half-staff until sundown of the day of Marshall's funeral. Funeral arrangements have not yet been completed, according to her office.

Marshall is the 49th Michigan State Police trooper to die in the line of duty. His death is the department's first in three years.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: banglist; chaplain; christianidentity; michigan; michiganmilitia; militia
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To: xring
What police department are you with?
261 posted on 07/09/2003 5:31:36 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: xring
The guy fears his government,

That's BS. He goes to court on a regular basis to argue his license fees, pays his property taxes under protest, he knows his local government officials and they know him. They seem to have a stable relationship.

The guy feared having to answer for his behavior with little girls.

262 posted on 07/09/2003 5:33:07 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: xring
Can't put a price on the Troopers life.

Police are paid to do a dangerous job.

Getting shot by a bad guy is an occupational hazard.

And you're still ignoring the issue of the rights of this cretin's neighbors--specifically, the right to the quiet enjoyment of their property.

Or are you saying that this guy's rights are superior to everyone else's rights?

263 posted on 07/09/2003 5:35:22 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: Poohbah

Undoubtedly they feel a kinship to anyone else who thinks they are the center of the universe.

264 posted on 07/09/2003 5:38:47 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: Catspaw
"What police department are you with?"

Sometimes I just like to stir up a little debate.
265 posted on 07/09/2003 5:40:26 PM PDT by xring
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To: xring
Uh huh.
266 posted on 07/09/2003 5:41:31 PM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Poohbah
The police didn't seem to be worried about the neighbors rights while driving an armored personnel carrier and flying a helicopter around the place. I wonder what the neighbors thought of the scare tactics and intimidation? I wonder how close thr neighbors were to this guys house? If not too close was evacuation really necessary?

I suspect that waiting would not be much more expensive than operating all that equipment and burning the house down.

Oh, and whether you agree with the police tactics or not, they still botched it.
267 posted on 07/09/2003 5:49:02 PM PDT by xring
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To: Vigilant1
It sounds to me like they set him up on a trumped-up charge, used that as an excuse to try and make an example out of him, botched the raid, killed one of their own officers, and then he somehow escaped.

That seems to be the gist of the story. What is missing is the reason why the jack booted thugs had Woodring on their hit list.

268 posted on 07/09/2003 5:52:35 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: RGSpincich
Sounds like the police would have had multiple opportunities to snatch this guy, why waste all that manpower and equipment? Do I detect a similarity to Waco?
269 posted on 07/09/2003 5:54:23 PM PDT by xring
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To: xring
The police didn't seem to be worried about the neighbors rights while driving an armored personnel carrier and flying a helicopter around the place.

They'd already been evacuated because of the imminent danger posed by this nut.

I wonder how close thr neighbors were to this guys house?

Within rifle range.

I suspect that waiting would not be much more expensive than operating all that equipment and burning the house down.

Overtime at 1.5x and 2x gets very expensive very quickly.

270 posted on 07/09/2003 5:54:31 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: xring
Do I detect a similarity to Waco?

Don't you always?

272 posted on 07/09/2003 5:57:05 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Poohbah
"Hey, dumbf***! "


So much for treating folks with respect.

You're right, he was and he did, why waste all that time and equipment? Lets just take him out. That would also save court costs and the cost of imprisonment.
273 posted on 07/09/2003 6:05:17 PM PDT by xring
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To: xring
You're right, he was and he did, why waste all that time and equipment? Lets just take him out. That would also save court costs and the cost of imprisonment.

To get due process, you have to quit shooting at the cops.

BTW, if you want to be treated with respect, show some respect for others and quit repeating complete BS.

274 posted on 07/09/2003 6:06:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: RGSpincich
"Don't you always?"


Not really, only when there are similarities.


275 posted on 07/09/2003 6:08:38 PM PDT by xring
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To: All
It's sure beginning to look like the MSP assaulted an empty house and killed one of their own. I bet they still try to hang that on Woodring as a 'special circumstances' murder charge.

For those who seem to think that criticizing other peoples' spelling is of paramount importance to this thread, I suggest you all talk with your therapist about your anal retentive personal issues. Help is available!

And Poo, thanks for the chuckle with your hilarious "multi-barrel trap gun" BS. Your rhetorical contortions to try and torture the facts to fit your preconceived notions sets new standards for comical fabrications that Bagdhad Bob might have trouble meeting. LOL!

276 posted on 07/09/2003 6:22:40 PM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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To: Poohbah
I'm not trying to defend the guy, my position is that the police don't need to bring in heavy armor for one man. I believe they mishandled the situation. They botched it.
277 posted on 07/09/2003 6:22:49 PM PDT by xring
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To: xring
The police went to his house and treated him like a man. They did not treat him like a dog they would catch running down the street without a leash. He had not shown any violent tendancies and remember he studied the Bible. He made the situation what it became, he alone is responsible.
278 posted on 07/09/2003 6:25:17 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Vigilant1; *bang_list
I didn't see this on the *bang_list. I hope I don't find it after I've posted this.
279 posted on 07/09/2003 6:26:21 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Undoubtedly they feel a kinship to anyone else who thinks they are the center of the universe. "

Who are "they"?
280 posted on 07/09/2003 6:28:46 PM PDT by xring
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