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To: FreeTheHostages
I disagree that global warming is hoax.

Oh it's a hoax all righty, and for a damnded good reason. Perhaps you would like to know who and why we have this "Global Warming!!!" theory imapcting enviro/economic policy at all.

The private tax-exempt "charitable" foundations owned by the families holding large positions in federal treasury notes and the petrochemical fuel comapnies their progenitors founded are seeking to make an even faster buck. BP, for example, has acquired major holdings in natural gas, rare earth minerals, and platimum mining in the interest of converting our economy to fuel cells. They don't want to lose money on that investment. Packard Foundation has large holdings in developing suboceanic methane hydrides. They don't want to lose money on that investment. British and Dutch royal families, the Pew family, and the Rockefellers are all in the act. So what do they do? They fund environmental groups, academics, and politicians seeking to "prove" that there is global warming, so that they can cash in. Those families are the force behind the IPCC report simply because the UN is easily bought through the NGOs they fund. Even worse, international bankers and utility companies play that bogus carbon credit market they've cooked up in order to subsidize their investments in third whirled countries! Where does the cash come from? They make sure they get their skim through the Bank of International Settlements with funds taken off electrical bills throughout the country that already carry a hidden (and illegal) tax purchasing those credits. Kyoto is slowly being implemented even though the Senate rejected it.

That's "Global Warming." It has NOTHING to do with the environment and everything to do with making money. The very same people were behind the old "coming ice age" canard in the early 1970s AND environmental regulations shutting down their competitors (such as nuclear). You apparently don't know that.

You chose to condesendingly "inform" me that ice core data shows that there is increased atmospheric carbon dioxide AFTER I had already directed you to a paper discussing the affects of INCREASED carbon dioxide!

That's idiotic, and I said so, without apology.

You have continued to hold that there is a scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming AFTER I posted quantitative proof that there is not.

That shows no integrity.

After seeing a graph showing that increased carbon dioxide happens AFTER a cyclical temperature increase over preceding eons, you are capable of concluding that they show that increased carbon dioxide CAUSES global warming.

If that is your standard for scientific analytical ability, you have none.

48 posted on 07/09/2003 9:42:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Well, manmade global warming didn't happen "eons" ago -- I dispute the relevance of historical data from "eons" ago showing CO2 rose after the warming. Maybe it did and there are 1,000 exogenous factors for that, having nothing to do with CO2.

But in the last century we've had the ice core sample and an actual increase in temperature and that's co-extensive.

So I kinda ignore your "global warming" data from the last billion years because there are MANY reasons of course why the Earth might warm other than CO2 -- and I don't dispute that that's surely happened. Hey, when the Earth was even created, it was a toasty place! The question is manmade global warming in this century.
49 posted on 07/09/2003 9:53:11 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Carry_Okie
oh, I note that you reference nuclear power as part of the "same conspiracy" that led to the "global warming" theory

see, that's another good example of ideology overshadowing science. nuclear power's incredibly expensive and quite frankly whichever conspiracy stopped those boondoggles from being built, I say God Bless 'em.

I like your last post because it shows exactly how you think about a question of science: you talk about it in terms of political conspiracy. In fact, the question of whether there is manmade global warming in this century is not a political question. It's a scientific one. It doesn't matter how many times I say I don't favor Kyoto -- I'm part of some weird conspiracy if I follow the science rather than your ideological rant on a question of science. I don't know why I'm supposed to view these ad hominem attacks and gestures of a political conspiracy as persuasive, but I don't. LOl, wow, i thought by now everyone knew nuclear was too expensive. Sheesh.
50 posted on 07/09/2003 9:58:07 AM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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