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A Conspiracy So Vast
WSJ Opinion Journal ^ | 7/7/2003 | Dorothy Rabinowitz

Posted on 07/07/2003 2:57:25 PM PDT by ArcLight

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To: Fee
Recommended reading: "Reagan's WAR" by Peter Schweizer, pages 266-228.

Read of the efforts of several Democraps working with the World Peace Council Savage, Dellums, Edwards, Rangel, et al, to oppose Reagan in his efforts against the Soviets.

Schweizer states: "Based in Helsinki, Finland, the World Peace Council claimed to be an international peace organization committed to global disarmament, In reality, it was receiving $50 million a year from the Soviet Politburo and was under the direction of the International Department of the Central Committee." (Source: World Peace Council, Peace Courier, 1989, no. 4.)
41 posted on 07/07/2003 7:37:59 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: annyokie
Trying to be Phyllis Schlafley is a good thing, I think. Phyllis is one smart babe.

But, Peggy Noonan is a different personality. Annie is more like a Don Rickels humor, not a Ivy League aires.
42 posted on 07/07/2003 8:07:04 PM PDT by RaceBannon
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To: RaceBannon
Okay, you hockey puck!
43 posted on 07/07/2003 8:08:21 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: annyokie
Thanks for the referral. I'd like to read more about the Venona Project too. I think Ann will wake up alot of us to the actual history of the last century, and the threat in our ranks even now.
44 posted on 07/07/2003 8:15:15 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: ArcLight
Well, well. I'm sorry to read this. I'm a great admirer of Dorothy Rabinowitz, and I'm also a great admirer of Ann Coulter. I hope to continue admiring both of them.

I watched the Army McCarthy hearings on television. No question that he was an odd duck, and rather sinister looking. But that's beside the point. Nobody else was saying what needed to be said, so McCarthy was the one.

Besides which, the real point is not so much McCarthy himself, as the fact that liberals have continued for fifty years to demonize anyone who tries to uncover the Communists who still continue in our midst even today. Criticize anyone on the left, and they still scream "McCarthyism!"

I'm very sorry these two admirable conservative writers have fallen out with each other. It's unnecessary and unfortunate. And I agree; this is a misleading and unfortunate review by someone who is normally a great and admirable editorialist.
45 posted on 07/07/2003 8:15:17 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TheDon
It is an excellent book, though very long. You'll like it if you are astudent of history.
46 posted on 07/07/2003 8:22:33 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: 2iron
McCarthy was a cretin. There is no redeeming of the man, Ann or no Ann.
47 posted on 07/07/2003 8:25:09 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: Long Cut

Read this skewering and weep. Ann spins the "truf" to the choir, IMHO.

http://spinsanity.org/columns/20030630.html
48 posted on 07/07/2003 8:28:11 PM PDT by annyokie (Admin Moderator has got it in for me.)
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To: Cicero
Rabinowitz writes:In Ms. Coulter's version of this history, of course, the blacklisted are only the rich and resourceful--a history that doesn't include the countless people destroyed because their names had popped up on some list of alleged Communists or fellow travelers, or sounded like a name on one of those lists. People like the actor Phillip Loeb, for example, unemployable and ultimately driven to suicide because he could no longer pay the bills for the care of a mentally ill son.

Don't believe Coulter wrote only the "rich and resourceful" were blacklisted.

Phillip Loeb was far from poor and he had nothing to do with McCarthy. He was blacklisted by a privately funded magazine, Red Channels, in 1950. Loeb supported Stalin's show trials and was a member of groups funded by the Soviet Union. He could have cleared himself but he refused to do so. When he was not asked to come back for the 1951 season of "The Goldbergs" his union negotiated a $85,000 settlement (over $550,000 in current dollars).

Four years later he was broke and could not pay a New York tax bill of about $1,000. Shortly after receiving the bill, he killed himself.

The one example Rabinowitz cites to prove that " countless people (were) destroyed" is of a man who did it to himself.

49 posted on 07/07/2003 8:28:29 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: TheDon
Amazon has some books on the Venona Project

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895262258/qid=1057634503/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/002-7926043-4006411

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0300077718/qid=1057634503/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/002-7926043-4006411
50 posted on 07/07/2003 8:30:49 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: DPB101
It is amazing how completely distorted liberals have made our history. The only way to break through to the public is to take the approach Ann is taking. In her book she even mentions:

"Though McCarthy is sniffed at even by conservatives for his flamboyant rhetoric, in 'Witness', Chambers explains the importance of a fellow such as McCarthy. Referring to the Hiss hearings, Chambers writes that theatrics were 'almost the only weapon the commitee possessed.' Without a 'flair for showmanship,' the committee's extremely important work exposing the Communist conspiracy would have been smothered in silence and reduced to nullity."
51 posted on 07/07/2003 8:50:30 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Fee
McCarthy in his clumsy way is correct about a number of people in the US government and Hollywood.

Yes, but that's like saying t. Mcveigh had some interesting points about our government overstepping it's bounds.

The guy was a twit. A twit who happened to be on our side, but one who made it easy to laugh at that side. He was the best thing that ever happened to the left in this country.

52 posted on 07/07/2003 8:55:00 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: ArcLight
So, Maureen Dowd has children!!

Dorothy Rabinowitz

53 posted on 07/07/2003 9:03:11 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: annyokie
She is smart enough to be the newest Peggy Noonan instead of the latest Phillis Schlafley.

So like you're saying neither Ann or Peggy are quite as smart as Phyllis? I think I would agree with you on that point.

54 posted on 07/08/2003 5:50:00 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: Long Cut
All those guys in the movie industry worked for the government?
55 posted on 07/08/2003 6:23:12 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: lugsoul
The movie people were questioned before the HUAC, IIRC. MCcarthy had nothing to do with that comittee's work.

Besides, they were most certainly NOT "blacklisted" by the U.S. government, nor even prosecuted for Communist Party membership. Their "blacklisting" came at the hands of those in their own industry.

That is, their employers chose not to employ people whose views and affiliations would have offended the vast majority of their potential customers. Would that today's motion picture poohbahs had such a policy. We'd have been spared such "luminaries" as Hanoi Jane, Sean Penn, Woody Harrelson, Jaenene Garafaolo, Mrs. and Mr. Sue Sarandon, Michael Moore, etc...

The employers were perfectly within their rights. Those affected should have had the stones to take their medicine for their beliefs. Instead, they (typically) whined and sniveled about their "suffering" (which, compared to the true suffering of those living under their hero Joe Stalin's rule, was less than a joke) for the next fifty years.

56 posted on 07/08/2003 11:51:48 AM PDT by Long Cut (Any time now...)
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To: Long Cut
Yep, they were blacklisted only after being hauled before a Congressional committee under subpoena and compelled to state their political views. Sure, the government had nothing to do with it.
57 posted on 07/08/2003 11:55:58 AM PDT by lugsoul
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To: annyokie
I was waiting for someone to mention Pat. They did a real job on Pat a few years ago, didn't they? If even 1/10th of wait Coulter is saying in her book is true, we are very fortunate to have gone this far.

I have read the pieces by Doroty, Sullivan, Horowitz and the last guy - David Horowitz - though slamming her was by far the most fair to Ann Coulter. I am about 3/4 through her book and like Slander, I find the information astonishing. Does she have a bite? Yes, she does. She is the kind of woman the liberals attempt Hitlery to be - a intelligent, strong-will individual.

Now consider some of the items she mentions in her book.

The obvious - now with the Venona transcripts out - that Alger Hiss was a communist spy. But I did not know that FDR was told this in 38 and laughed it off. David Horowitz corraborates that statement. So, Dick Nixon was right all along.

The Rosenbergs were spies.

Did JFK give the order to assasinate the leader of an allied power? Yes - he did - that is documented fact. By not following through on the Bay of Pigs, did he in actually cause the Cuban Missle Crisis to happen? We can debate that but I agree with Ann's assertion that the Soviets saw a weak-willed President. Remember, the press knew about his pill-popping and his womanizing. And if the press knew - some of them were on the Soviet payroll - then the Soviets knew.

Did Truman endanger our military personnel by not letting MacArthur fight the way he wanted? Was he micro-managing the war? Yes, he was. Remember, all information about the war passed from the CIA to British Intelligence. Kim Philby ring a bell.

Did LBJ esculate Vietnam on a lie? Yes he did. We know that now. McNamarra stated in his book several years ago that he knew in 1964 that we could not win the Vietnam war and yet he and LBJ allowed thousands of young men go to Vietnam and die! That is a fact!

Ann Coulter has several points in her book. One is can we trust Democrats to hold the reigns of power. Don't give me that crap about Reagan and others being Dems. Yes, they were at one time and saw what was happening. They switched and we - America - were better for it. A second point is that Democrats cannot be trusted. Is the average Democrat on the street guilty of treason? Directly, no. But indirectly they are because they do not take the time to read, investigate, question. Look at those around you who are Dems. How much more information do you know than they do? How many times have you told them something and you get the deer in the headlights look? Or they ask where you get your information? And the third point Ann has raised is she is getting everyone to talk about this subject. She is right as to who writes our history. When she talks about Reagan in her book, I remember what she is stating. I remember the Dems having fits concerning what Reagan said about the Soviets - that they were the evil empire, tear down this wall, walking away in Iceland. I remember the statements that you do not want to piss the Soviets off and during that time, since that was all I heard, I was somewhat worried. But now we are being told that the Soviets were on their last legs. It's the same old BS about Republican Presidents being stupid and clever at the same time.

I have no idea who Dorothy Rabinowitz is nor do I care. Someone posted a picture of her yesterday - she looks like a Democrat. She lost me when she referred Ann to Mo Dowd. The few things I have read by Mo Dowd - on FR - contains absolutely no footnotes or references. Like I said, I have read 3/4 of Ann's book and Dorothy Rabinowitz - in her review - seems to not have touched it. That lost me also.

And getting back to Pat Buchanan, I told my wife the other day that the left will attempt to do to her what they did to Pat Buchanan. It will not work with Ann because she doesn't give a damn what they say or think.

58 posted on 07/08/2003 12:34:25 PM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: lugsoul
Yep, they were blacklisted only after being hauled before a Congressional committee under subpoena and compelled to state their political views. Sure, the government had nothing to do with it.

The studio still made the choice to blacklist the Communists. The government did not force anything except the truth out of these creeps.

And why not blacklist? Why should the studio head be forced to pay those who want to rob him at best and probably want to kill him?

59 posted on 07/08/2003 1:03:15 PM PDT by ExpandNATO
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To: lugsoul; All
They were asked straightforward, honest questions, under oath pursuiant to an investigation. They were, as previously stated, under NO threat of arrest, conviction, or imprisonment.

Unlike, say, in the Soviet Union, where such dissent would have been punished quite a bit more harshley than that.

They chose to join or associate with anti-American groups and parties who advocated the overthrow of the U.S. government. Yet, they lost ALL courage of their convictions when simply asked about it. Then, they cried boo-hoo for decades when their CHOICES came around to bite them (if only for a few years, after which they were lionized as "heros" by their fellow-travelers).

They had to do honest work for a few years, after their CHOICES made them unemployable in their industry. This is laughably insignifigant next to their ideology's nearly century-long stream of blood and misery. A stream which, by their actions, they helped along.

Put your sympathy where it belongs...with the REAL victims, those 100 million dead souls murdered by the unspeakable horrors of Communism.

60 posted on 07/08/2003 1:42:15 PM PDT by Long Cut (Any time now...)
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