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To: viligantcitizen
Thank you. I appreciate your apology and effort to lower the temperature. So, to try one last time at clearing the air, you made a reference to my "side of the argument." Do you even know what that is?

The knee-jerk, almost desperate attempt by a few people to defend Junior has obscured the point of posting the article. Look. I found this article disturbing for a number of reasons — either way, whether what he says is true or whether it's not. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with Junior, other than it happened to be his Busch car. Rather, the article calls NASCAR's integrity into question. Did those inspectors really behave that way? That, for me, is the nub of the matter; the question I want answered. If raising the article up from relatively obscure racing-related sites to a news site eventually helps answer that question, then all the heated trash will have been worth it.

193 posted on 07/08/2003 2:08:33 PM PDT by Wolfstar (If we don't re-elect GWB — a truly great President — we're NUTS!)
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To: Wolfstar
The knee-jerk, almost desperate attempt by a few people to defend Junior has obscured the point of posting the article.

Desperate? I don't think so. The only one showing desperation is you with that ridiculous sidestep into that Adam Petty stuff and your crazy accusations of bigger restrictors and what-not.

Look. I found this article disturbing for a number of reasons...

One of which you have no ability to discern truth. If you would've been paying attention to the article you would have seen he contradicted himself and if you knew anything about Nascar, you'd know that a crew member can't move a fender an inch and a half above the hood.

...— either way, whether what he says is true or whether it's not. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with Junior, other than it happened to be his Busch car. Rather, the article calls NASCAR's integrity into question.

No, it highlights your integrity as well as that of the author.

Did those inspectors really behave that way? That, for me, is the nub of the matter; the question I want answered. If raising the article up from relatively obscure racing-related sites to a news site eventually helps answer that question, then all the heated trash will have been worth it.

First we have to find out what the story is he wants to tell. First he said that the inspectors didn't see it, then he said the inpectors laughed when it happened. Are you so blind as to not see this? A person who repeats the lies of others is a liar himself.

195 posted on 07/08/2003 2:30:41 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Wolfstar
"Thank you. I appreciate your apology and effort to lower the temperature."

You're welcome.

"The knee-jerk, almost desperate attempt by a few people to defend Junior has obscured the point of posting the article. Look. I found this article disturbing for a number of reasons — either way, whether what he says is true or whether it's not. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with Junior, other than it happened to be his Busch car. Rather, the article calls NASCAR's integrity into question. Did those inspectors really behave that way? That, for me, is the nub of the matter; the question I want answered. If raising the article up from relatively obscure racing-related sites to a news site eventually helps answer that question, then all the heated trash will have been worth it."

I thought my original post 100 was a very concise,point by point, non-knee jerk response to what the author had to say.

But to help make things clearer...

Let's take a quick glance at NASCAR history...

In the mid-60's, Richard Petty dominated cup racing in a plymouth outfitted with a 426 hemi engine. And I mean dominated. NASCAR bans the engine. Petty quits cup racing for drag racing.(Until Petty wiped out a Dallas dragstrip killing an 8 year old boy. That track is 12 miles from my house and my father was at that meet.)

In the mid-80's, Bill Elliot dominated cup racing,especially Daytona and Talledega. Matter of fact, I believe he still holds the record qualifying speed at both tracks. In the area of 215 mph. NASCAR responds by bringing out the restrictor plates, using safety as an excuse.

NASCAR does not want one dominant driver and has proven that by the way they run their series for 30+ years. They have realized that the more cars that are competitive, the more merchandising and tickets they sell.

NASCAR wants Junior fans, but they also want Gordon fans, DJ fans, Labonte fans, Wallace fans,Burton fans etc. and the shirts, hats, stickers and tickets they buy.

When I first started watching racing, I was a rare breed, someone other than a Petty fan. I liked David Pearson. Now it's different. That's a good thing. And for the record, I hated Earnhardt when he first appeared in 1980, only to come around later.

Second, I will not deny that teams cheat. They cheat like hell, they compete at it. But to the teams, it's not cheating each other, it's getting things by the officials.

This goes on inside the confines of a shop. The very idea that this happened at the inspection area, in front of the general public, not to mention the officials, is ridiculous.

Teams have moles that watch inspection of other teams cars. Believe me, as I stated in an earlier post, if this had went on like the author had stated, every crew chief in the garage would've been beating Mike Helton's door down demanding he be shot. Making this claim insults the intelligence of every other team other than DEI.

And I'll also say this, if by some slim margin this author is right, I hope they fire the officials and I'll come back and admit I was wrong. How's that?

198 posted on 07/08/2003 3:01:28 PM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (game on in 10 seconds....)
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