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Teens arrested with guns, swords, sacks of ammo
cnn.com ^ | Monday, July 7, 2003 Posted: 1:05 AM EDT (0505 GMT) | cnn

Posted on 07/06/2003 10:53:20 PM PDT by Forseti

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

OAKLYN, New Jersey (CNN) -- When police arrested three teenagers early Sunday for allegedly pointing guns at a passing car, they discovered a cache of weapons that included rifles, handguns, swords, and more than 2,000 rounds of ammunition.

The teenagers, 14, 15 and 18, were standing on a street corner when they were arrested at 3:48 a.m. EDT, Oaklyn Police Chief Chris Ferrari said. The driver of the car they allegedly aimed at managed to drive off and alert police, who then drove back and found the youths.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; foiled; guncontrol; matthewlovett
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I'm sure more gun control would solve these problems.
1 posted on 07/06/2003 10:53:20 PM PDT by Forseti
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To: *bang_list
 
2 posted on 07/06/2003 11:18:27 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: Forseti
Figures CNN would have this story.
3 posted on 07/06/2003 11:20:04 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: Forseti
I'm sure more gun control would solve these problems.

Be cynical and sarcastic all you want... I happen to think this arrest is one of the very lucky breaks in life. You think gun control is a risk? - Tragedies like what these guys were planning is what makes it a risk. We do no one any good scoffing about the tragedy of what this might have become.

Police believe the trio planned to target three other youths, "and then randomly kill as many people as they could come into contact with in the community," Ferrari said.

Congratulations to the good guys on this one.

4 posted on 07/06/2003 11:28:24 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (Not all those who wander are lost)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Here is a link to the local Channel 3 News .. I had heard about this on Channel 6 News .. these kids sound like real whack jobs and according to Channel 6, they apparently had signed the letter from the Anit-Christ

http://kywimg.dayport.com/htm/kyw3player.htm?Art_ID=1360
5 posted on 07/07/2003 12:49:09 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Mo1
The 3 guys are armed to the hilt and they just give up?


No shoot out, No stand off?

I wonder how many cops were there when the cops 1st got there.

It seems like if they wanted to kill random people a shoot out w/ the cops would seem like that's when something like this would start.
6 posted on 07/07/2003 2:20:56 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: HairOfTheDog
>>Police believe the trio planned to target three other youths, "and then randomly kill as many people as they could come into contact with in the community," Ferrari said. <<

While I agree with your sentiment and am glad these kids were caught, I would like more corroboration to the above statement than the suppositions of the cops. I would much rather have read that this was the statement given by one of the gunmen. I will grant you that I cannot give you any good reasons for 3 kids to be so armed but I don't want the police throwing out such terroristic statements without something to go on. They can find similar arms caches in many homes in my neighborhood including mine but we only plan to kill those who invade our homes (or have 6 point or higher racks). Assumptions of what the youths were going to do is not the business cops are in ... "just the facts, ma'am."
7 posted on 07/07/2003 2:29:31 AM PDT by NerdDad
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To: NerdDad
So you think the cops made up the part about targeting three particular youths, then turning to random shootings?
8 posted on 07/07/2003 2:37:30 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: OXENinFLA
These three are lucky that they've been arrested and not killed.
9 posted on 07/07/2003 3:21:04 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Trust but Verify
Let's say I'm following the advice of your nick. I'm not convinced they made it up--stranger things have happened. I want to believe that it was a misstatement by a spokesman. I actually think they probably got a statement from one or more of the teens that provided this information. So why did they not phrase it in that way? What the article says is that the police "believed" (aka thought, supposed, guessed) that they were targeting 3 particular youths and then turning to random shootings. What the officers "believed" is not going to fly at trial. That leads to many questions. What led the police to believe such? Was it a statement from one of the teens? Was it supposition on the part of the officers? Was it a statement made by a spokesman with his own agenda? What better way to push a further restriction on our 2nd ammendment rights than raise the spectre of heavily armed youths randomly shooting innocent people?
10 posted on 07/07/2003 3:48:42 AM PDT by NerdDad
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To: NerdDad
Here's more on the story from the Philadelphia Inquirer:
Posted on Mon, Jul. 07, 2003 story:PUB_DESC
Police: Teen Massacre Foiled

Inquirer Staff Writers

An 18-year-old man and two juvenile boys were arrested yesterday in suburban Camden County with a cache of rifles, swords and knives, and police said the three had planned to target students who attend Oaklyn Public School, then "randomly attack as many people as possible."

Oaklyn Police Chief Christopher Ferrari said the three, including two students who had attended the middle school, had been planning to commit "multiple homicides" since early this year.

"They were going to execute three individuals and continue until they ran out of ammunition with the killings throughout town," Camden County Prosecutor Vincent P. Sarubbi said at a news conference last night outside the Oaklyn Police Department.

The alleged plot - evoking memories of shootings by students at Colorado's Columbine High School and other schools in the last few years - was discovered after a motorist flagged down Officer Charles Antrilli in Oaklyn at 3:48 a.m. yesterday and said the three had tried to carjack him. They surrendered to an officer after a tense but brief showdown.

Ferrari said the three had been poised to start the killings. Each was armed with a high-power rifle or shotgun, he said, and they had handguns with more than 2,000 rounds of ammunition.

"It was sort of a Columbine-type thing, except they were going to be more mobile," said Ferrari, who also said that the three "had planned on not being taken alive by law enforcement authorities."

Matthew Lovett, 18, who just graduated from Collingswood High School, was among those arrested. He lived in a small apartment in Oaklyn with his father and a brother. Police said Lovett was charged with aggravated assault, possession of firearms for an unlawful purpose and carjacking.

Authorities did not identify the 14-year-old and 15-year-old juveniles because of their age. Officials said all three would be charged with conspiracy to commit murder.

The three called themselves the "Warriors of Freedom," according to teenagers who knew them. They were known sometimes to dress in all black like characters from the movie Matrix. One of them was known for drawing violent cartoons in class and felt bullied by students at the Oaklyn middle school, acquaintances said.

Officials would not comment on a letter, reportedly written by Lovett to his father and found inside their apartment during a search yesterday by investigators.

"It would be inappropriate to comment on a specific document," Sarubbi said last night.

The arrest shattered the calm of a sweltering day in the small borough of Oaklyn, just outside Camden. Police blocked off the street near the small apartment building where Lovett lived as they conducted a search.

Outside the ice cream store across the street, teenagers who knew the three said they practiced martial arts, virtually always wore black, and pretty much kept to themselves.

"They had that Matrix look down," said Warren Haubois, 16, of Oaklyn.

Their plot focused on Oaklyn Public School, a combined elementary and junior high school with about 530 students. The two juveniles attended the middle school.

Charles Earling, the principal of Collingswood High School, said last night that he had never heard anything in particular about Lovett before yesterday and was shocked at the news of the arrest.

"To my knowledge, we've never had anything like this before. No suspicions, no threats," said Earling.

Mathew Rich, who reported the carjacking attempt, told the Associated Press that he was leaving his wife's home when he saw the three, dressed in trench coats and standing in front of a school.

One crossed the street in front of him, opened his coat to reveal a handgun, then signaled for his friends. Frantic and fearing for his life, Rich said, he managed to speed up and get past them and then alerted a nearby police officer, who chased down the three.

Sarubbi said that Lovett "drew down on his handgun," but that all three of them dropped their weapons when the officer shouted for them to "freeze."

"These guys were ready for a war," Rich said.

Sarubbi described Lovett as the "shaker and mover" of the alleged plot, and said all of the guns were owned and legally registered by Lovett's father.

"They were heavily armed with rifles, shotguns, pistols lodged in their belt and 2,000 rounds of ammunition," said Sarubbi.

Ferrari said that three of the targets were fellow students at the Oaklyn school, and that the next group of victims were to be chosen at random.

Police said the weapons also included swords and knives.

"These individuals were planning on killing as many people as possible in a short time and creating widespread hysteria," Ferrari said in a statement.

He said the three "indicated they had previous problems with students at Oaklyn Public School, and potential targets were students here."

Outside the ice cream store near the small apartment building where Lovett lived, teenagers gathered last night to talk about the alleged plot and the three teenagers who allegedly set out to carry it out.

"They were quiet and scary. They were the weird people you wouldn't mess with because you were afraid they would try something like this," said Eddie Hernandez, 15, who goes to Collingswood High School.

"They kept to themselves. I never heard more than one word out of them," said Haubois.

In the Collingswood High School yearbook, a quotation attributed to Lovett read: "Listen to the saffron melodies strummed on the brilliant strings of the sunrays."


Contact staff writer Emilie Lounsberry at 856-779-3863 or elounsberry@phillynews.com.

11 posted on 07/07/2003 3:58:23 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: Forseti
Police believe the trio planned to target three other youths, "and then randomly kill as many people as they could come into contact with in the community," Ferrari said.

That might be hard to prove in court since they chose not to shoot it out with the cops, but who knows what they were thinking? In any case, I'm glad this got stopped before the youths could do whatever it was they were going to do.

12 posted on 07/07/2003 4:10:06 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (This space for rent, call 555-9388.)
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What as shame, a hot July day and these three chumps are dressed in black and want to go on a killing spree.

They should have been hanging out at the shore or the local pool trying to meet some teenaged girls.

13 posted on 07/07/2003 4:14:16 AM PDT by csvset
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I think your quarrel may be with the writer of the article rather than with the police. We are not talking direct quote here.
14 posted on 07/07/2003 4:17:02 AM PDT by Trust but Verify (Will work for W)
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To: Forseti
The teens went to two area high schools, Collingswood and Haddon Heights, Ferrari said. The 18-year-old was a recent graduate of one of the schools, he said.

That explains a lot. You'd think they'd at least remember what happened when Indiana Jones went up against the guy with the scimitar...

15 posted on 07/07/2003 4:19:42 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Catspaw
"They were quiet and scary. They were the weird people you wouldn't mess with because you were afraid they would try something like this," said Eddie Hernandez, 15, who goes to Collingswood High School.

Sounds like some of the kids that I went to school with. This is what "socialization" is about, Charlie Brown.

Back in the mid-70s I went to a soccer tournament on Long Island. I stayed with another 13-year-old kid and his family. He showed me a class photo and pointed out two kids who had already committed suicide. A friend of his came over that night and talked about how he had heard someone in the basement of his house and how he had waited for the guy at the top of the stairs with a meat clever.

That night, we went to a neighborhood "block party." I witnessed a girl being raped on the front lawn. An older teen was showing off his revolver to another group of kids. I asked if the cops ever broke up these parties. "Nah. They're afraid to come here."

The next night, we were all staying at the Holiday Inn.

16 posted on 07/07/2003 4:29:56 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Trust but Verify; Catspaw
I wouldn't argue your point there either. There is a mixture of writer and quote in the article that is questionable.

Police believe the trio planned to target three other youths, "and then randomly kill as many people as they could come into contact with in the community," Ferrari said.

See also the article that Catspaw posted from the Philly Inquirer at post 11 (thanks Catspaw). Notice the immediate jump to Columbine. Just what I expected. And still there are no indications of direct statements from the perps that would indicate the conclusions drawn. Did one of the kids tell the cops they were out to cause such havoc? Did the letter found give them this information? Or is the leap to the Columbine conclusion a conditioned one that did not require factual basis?

17 posted on 07/07/2003 4:31:41 AM PDT by NerdDad
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To: Catspaw
Charles Earling, the principal of Collingswood High School, said last night that he had never heard anything in particular about Lovett before yesterday and was shocked at the news of the arrest."

All together now: "I'm shocked, SHOCKED!"

18 posted on 07/07/2003 4:32:14 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
Looks like you and I caught the same point. I am delighted the three were stopped, whatever their goals, but the prosecutor better have more to work with than what is in the two articles posted in this thread.
19 posted on 07/07/2003 4:38:51 AM PDT by NerdDad
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To: Euro-American Scum
Everyone should have this story. The amount of weapons and ammunition they had would have supplied a small army.

There were young teens involved and this might be a wake up call to some parents out there who are not paying enough attention.

20 posted on 07/07/2003 4:41:54 AM PDT by OldFriend ((BUSH/CHENEY 2004))
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