To: betty boop
Quantum theory states that whatever is meant by the word reality, it has to be non-local and counter to the view of local, realistic classical theories..."All I hope is that I live long enough to see quantum mechanics thrown into the trash heap of ridiculous physics theories. It will happen.
"Nonlocal" is a deceptive way of saying "instantaneous action at a distance" (IAD). Any dynamic physical theory that requires or predicts IAD is bogus. The theory may be bogus because it is fundamentally a static theory (Newtonian gravity) or rotten to the core because it predicts IAD (quantum mechanics).
19 posted on
07/05/2003 7:01:54 PM PDT by
mikegi
To: mikegi
Actually, if the universe exists in a planar present mode at any given moment (all of the universe exists simultaneously), all events are on the same plane, temporally, and the past is the 'left behind' evidence of the plane in non-static reality. Perhaps electromagnetic phenomena are carrying a piece of the present of the physical universe at the planar present when the energy was/is 'liberated'. Do you experience any event in the present of the event?
20 posted on
07/05/2003 7:21:14 PM PDT by
MHGinTN
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To: mikegi
All I hope is that I live long enough to see quantum mechanics thrown into the trash heap of ridiculous physics theories. It will happen. I can see the point of your skepticism, mikegi. But on the other hand, as a predictive theory, QM is brilliant, on the grounds of "tried and tested and true as far as it goes." It has led to extraordinary technological achievements, whose by-products we employ and enjoy in our daily lives.
You just can't flush "credentials" like that down the toilet, now can you?
23 posted on
07/05/2003 7:34:42 PM PDT by
betty boop
(We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
To: mikegi
"or rotten to the core because it predicts IAD (quantum mechanics)." Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) and its cousin, Quantum Chromodynamics, cannot be "rotten to the core". They are among the most successful theories in all of science; they allow predictions through pure calculation which are found to be true to a dozen decimal places (or more).
"Truth" can be said to mean "in conformance with the way the Universe behaves", and these theories certainly are "true". That is, they reveal part of the way the universe behaves. They are not absolute truth; they are subject to revision/extension/modification. But they certainly reveal something of the truth.
--Boris
30 posted on
07/05/2003 8:14:41 PM PDT by
boris
To: mikegi
Could you describe an experiment that would lead to a revision of quantum mechanics? Where do you get the idea that QM predicts instant action at a distance? A reference to a refereed experiment would be useful. Aspect's experiment certainly doens't imply any instantaneoud action.
35 posted on
07/05/2003 8:37:42 PM PDT by
Doctor Stochastic
(Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
To: mikegi
"Nonlocal" is a deceptive way of saying "instantaneous action at a distance" (IAD). Any dynamic physical theory that requires or predicts IAD is bogus. The theory may be bogus because it is fundamentally a static theory (Newtonian gravity) or rotten to the core because it predicts IAD (quantum mechanics).
Actually, non-locality works quite well with Relatively.
-The Hajman-
87 posted on
07/06/2003 1:30:16 PM PDT by
Hajman
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