Anti-Semitism in three steps

Jerusalem Post ^ | Jul. 3, 2003 | Bret Stephens

[yonif]

Zionists are not part of the "we" of the freedom-loving English-speaking world. They are a curse on it, who bribe and morally blackmail our politicians and media. The vicarious glee at the defeat of the Arabs in The Jerusalem Post reads like medieval bigotry.

Get a load of this column, which includes the full letter sent by a British Tory.

[LadyDoc]

The vicarious glee at the defeat of the Arabs in The Jerusalem Post reads like medieval bigotry.

Silly me. I thought that removing a government that had killed a million Arabs (and Kurds and Farsi Iranians) would be considered a good thing...

[RaceBannon]

Silly me. I thought that removing a government that had killed a million Arabs (and Kurds and Farsi Iranians) would be considered a good thing...

In some social circles, it is...Unless you are a Democrat..or French.

[RusIvan]

I don't like the Palestinians, but I am dispassionate enough to realise that their misconduct, which is driven by desperation, does not deprive them of their inalienable rights. Please stop to think whether aggression without justice will ever provide you with security. I pity the Israelis who will continue to be killed for as long as your government refuses to be just. ====

What anti-semitic in it? IMHO it is just truth. It have to be just peace not subdueing on ME or this war will continue indefinetely. My jew friends agree with me.

[yonif]

which is driven by desperation

Really? Tell me then: What drives them to be "desperate"?

[yonif]

I don't like the Palestinians, but I am dispassionate enough to realise that their misconduct, which is driven by desperation, does not deprive them of their inalienable rights. Please stop to think whether aggression without justice will ever provide you with security. I pity the Israelis who will continue to be killed for as long as your government refuses to be just. ====

What anti-semitic in it? IMHO it is just truth. It have to be just peace not subdueing on ME or this war will continue indefinetely. My jew friends agree with me.

[yonif]

Were the "Palestinians" also "desperate" to use terrorism from 1948-1967 when Israel had not one foot in the territories they claim they are fighting to end their "occupation"?

These terrorist groups, which most of them support, want to destroy Israel no matter what Israel is doing. They will spread propaganda such as "occupation," or Israel is being "aggressive" or "oppresive" for buyers around the world (which nowadays are the EU, UN and even the US who believes these territories are "occupied" and that the "Palestinians" are a people")

[RusIvan]

Were the "Palestinians" also "desperate" to use terrorism from 1948-1967 when Israel had not one foot in the territories they claim they are fighting to end their "occupation"? ===

I don't disagree that palestinains and all arabs doesn't like idea to have Israel where it is. But who would if you live in your country then suddently someone came and claim the land where you live.
Israel did it. Whole creation of Israel was grabbing the land from arabs. And arabs just doesn't want to agree with it. As said who would? If you recall UN decision then I say that on this forun UN is irrelevant.

Everything what happened after this just struggle of dissatisfied arabs for land. Nothing more.
Terrorism is just the weapon of weak side. Israelis used that weapon against british administration themsleves when they needed.
So you have not blame arabs for use it when the creators of Israel was terrorists themselves against British in thier young time. Anyway Israel way ahead of arabs in inflicting casualties.

So just for me it is nothing new and extraordinary in that your war on ME. Just plain war for land.
You have to partition it somehow or destroy arabs completely. Anyway it is not my war so I stand aside.

[yonif]

I don't disagree that palestinains and all arabs doesn't like idea to have Israel where it is. But who would if you live in your country then suddently someone came and claim the land where you live.

The original Israel in 1947, gave Israel 3 seperate parts of the land. Please tell me which country the land Israel was created in had the land Israel was created in?

Whole creation of Israel was grabbing the land from arabs.

All the land Jews had there was bought from Arabs who sold it to them.

Terrorism is just the weapon of weak side. Israelis used that weapon against british administration themsleves when they needed.

Please provide facts that Israel engaged in terrorism against the British.

Anyway Israel way ahead of arabs in inflicting casualties.

Please provide facts for your claim.

Just plain war for land.

It is not war for land. The real war is against Jews. Their hate for Jews comes first. The fact Jews have that land is even more outrageous for them.

You have to partition it somehow or destroy arabs completely. Anyway it is not my war so I stand aside.

This is not a war for you to stand aside. Israel is fighting a war against terrorism. Terrorism which has killed Americans. Please see the opening animation here: Israel Action Center

[Binyamin]

My jew friends agree with me

[evilC]

Get a load of this column, which includes the full letter sent by a British Tory.

The letter writer says "I am a principled conservative". Note that small "c". Nowhere does he mention the Conservative party.

The writer of the article is engaging in the same cheap shots that he seems to dislike. He desperately wants to show that the letter writer represents the "anti-Semitism" that reaches all levels, even the Tory Party but in reality the letter is represents the views of one person who calls himself "conservative" (like many of our friends from the DUHnderground).

[RusIvan]

It is from Simon Wesenthal: "The Policy of Resistance

A short time after the end of World War II, when it became clear that the British government would not abandon its anti - Zionist policy of the 1939 White Paper, the Jewish Agency charged the Haganah with leading the "Jewish resistance movement" against this policy. A special committee (Committee X) was established to control the activities of this movement. The implementation of the resistance plan was entrusted to Moshe Sneh, then head of the national command, and Yizhak Sadeh, acting chief of staff. In order to coordinate all underground activities, an agreement was arrived at with I.Z.L. and Lehi. The insurgent activities in this common framework began on Nov. 1 - 2, 1945, with the coordinated attack on rail lines and equipment. At the center of the resistance activities was the "illegal" mass immigration from Europe and North Africa, whose organization on land and sea devolved on the Haganah and its various arms: the Berihah and the Organization ("Mosad") for "Illegal" Immigration. In Palestine, units of the Palmah destroyed army and police equipment, and the Haganah organized mass demonstrations that clashed with the British police and army. In addition to these, I.Z.L. and Lehi carried out their activities with the approval of the Haganah. The activities were accompanied by illegal written and oral propaganda (the Homah wall newspaper and the clandestine broadcasts of the "Kol ha - Haganah"). On June 17, 1946, these activities reached their height with the blowing up of all the bridges on the borders of Palestine by the Haganah forces. About two weeks later, on June 29 ("Black Saturday"), the British authorities responded by imprisoning the members of the Jewish Agency Executive and the Va'ad Le'ummi and by vigorous searches in the kibbutzim in order to catch members of the Palmah and uncover the arms caches of the Haganah (a large store was uncovered at Yagur)."
http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/text/x24/xm2475.html

They particulary shy about ARMED resistance. But I red many sources about bomb explosions of british quaters, killings and so on. Some said it was terrorism.

Look yonif I repeat I'm not against jewish resistance to british. I beleive it is not my business.
But I same beleive that resistance of palestinians to jews is not my business either.
BTW muslims are mad on USA just for USA support of Israel. So if no support then no terrorism against american interests.

Anyway Israel way ahead of arabs in inflicting casualties.
Please provide facts for your claim. ===

Just count the number of plestinians killed and Israelis. First are greater.

Just plain war for land.
It is not war for land. The real war is against Jews. Their hate for Jews comes first. The fact Jews have that land is even more outrageous for them. ===

Jews are no difference of anybody else. If they grab land then it creates hostilities or hate. Same is for americans or russians.
I don't blame jews for grabbing that land. Because thoses grabbed lot more.
But if you grab something you defend that yourself as others do.

Look on russians they grabbed the most wide chuck of land on Earth then russians defends it themselves without any cries about Russophobia.
But russophobia are strong and widespread too between some people in the world. Hitler came to Soviet Union with purpose to eliminate russians. It is russophobia.
But russians are not complaining they just fight.
So have you to.

[Catspaw]

What anti-semitic in it? IMHO it is just truth. It have to be just peace not subdueing on ME or this war will continue indefinetely. My jew friends agree with me.

Oh, are you back? I thought that "banned" meant "banned."

[Wild Thing]

AGREE, excellent post # 8 yonif !

Wild Thing

[yonif]

In Palestine, units of the Palmah destroyed army and police equipment, and the Haganah organized mass demonstrations that clashed with the British police and army

Bingo. These groups attacked police and soldiers, which is legitimate. These groups were not terrorists or engaging in terrorism. On the other hand these PLO groups are terrorists as they target civilians, etc.

Look yonif I repeat I'm not against jewish resistance to british. I beleive it is not my business. But I same beleive that resistance of palestinians to jews is not my business either. BTW muslims are mad on USA just for USA support of Israel. So if no support then no terrorism against american interests.

Wrong. The majority of Muslim terrorists target non-Muslims. So even if Israel was not around, terrorism will still exist against non-Muslims who the terrorists consider "infidels"

Just count the number of plestinians killed and Israelis. First are greater

You have fallen to leftist propaganda. Please read this article An Engineered Tragedy

Jews are no difference of anybody else. If they grab land then it creates hostilities or hate. Same is for americans or russians. I don't blame jews for grabbing that land. Because thoses grabbed lot more. But if you grab something you defend that yourself as others do.

Tell me when Israel grabbed land. When Israel became independent, the land that the Jews had was not grabbed, but sold by the Arabs there. After numerous wars started by the Arabs to destroy Israel, Israel was forced to take land in order to increase its defensive cababilities.

[SJackson]

You have to partition it somehow or destroy arabs completely. Anyway it is not my war so I stand aside.

20 killed in suicide attack at Moscow rock festival

RusIvan, for all your pandering to terrorists, we now see the truth.

You're not a rocker!!

[yonif]

He also forgets that since 1967 more then 60 Americans have been killed by PLO terrorism. And furthermore, terrorism like Al Queda on America is welcomed by the PLO and other terrorist groups Israel fights.

[SJackson]

He also forgets that since 1967 more then 60 Americans have been killed by PLO terrorism.

Well, sure, but lots of them were in Israel and other foreign places. American's should never leave America, if they do they're fair game, so I'm told.

Someone on FR will remind me when, but I believe the Brits went to war with Spain (France?) over the ear decapitation of a sailor. Times have changed.