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PROPERTY TAX PROTEST - TEXAS STYLE
ME | 07-03-03 | American Spirit

Posted on 07/03/2003 4:01:52 PM PDT by american spirit

Next week I'm going in to protest the local property taxes on my home and business and wanted to hear from Texas freepers some good ideas on how to create an effective strategy. These taxes have jumped dramatically and I see no end in sight. I'm curious if there have effective techniques used by other Texans to slow down these local tax assessors.


TOPICS: Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: propertytaxes; protesttaxes

1 posted on 07/03/2003 4:01:52 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: american spirit
Contact the Howard Jarvis Taxpayers Association ! www.hjta.org This is the late Howard Jarvis' group which managed to get the tax rates to within manageable means through Proposition 13. I'd contact them!

Good Luck!
2 posted on 07/03/2003 4:09:24 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty (Respectfully submitted,)
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To: american spirit
You can hire an ad-Valorem tax consultant, who may be able to do you some good if your property is out of line with comparables.

If all the values have gone up, then I don't think they will pay attention to anything less than a lynch mob.
An accessors job it to set values on properties relative to each other, not to set the amount you pay in taxes.
The amount you pay depends on the Tax Rate set by the Districts. They are the ones you need to protest to if you feel you are paying too much.

So9

3 posted on 07/03/2003 4:11:48 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: american spirit
I'm curious if there have effective techniques used by other Texans to slow down these local tax assessors

Move away.

4 posted on 07/03/2003 4:12:12 PM PDT by lewislynn
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To: american spirit
We have friends moving to San Antonio from the Fairfax VA area. In San Antonio one house they looked at has an RE tax of $11,000 yearly. Whoa!
5 posted on 07/03/2003 4:15:27 PM PDT by bvw
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To: FITZ
ping. A huge influx of illegals in my neighborhood drove property taxes through the roof. They increased 175% in 2 years. They were already high. Now they're High...way robbery.
6 posted on 07/03/2003 4:18:43 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: bvw
We have friends moving to San Antonio from the Fairfax VA area. In San Antonio one house they looked at has an RE tax of $11,000 yearly. Whoa!

On the other hand, there is no State or local Income Tax, and that savings will pay a lot of property taxes.

So9

7 posted on 07/03/2003 4:28:28 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
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To: american spirit
Where do you live - I'm in Corpus Christi and they went up some on our house and 150% on our lot!!! I went down there with a spreadsheet of other houses built same year as ours with an analysis of cost per square foot etc. The appraiser lowered out house by 10% but had to keep the lot at same value. The problem here is they had always kept property valued at less than market value and now they are valuing at current market- same is being done in several cities across Texas now.
8 posted on 07/03/2003 4:31:44 PM PDT by seahawk
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To: american spirit
I'm not sure there is much you can do. The politicians tell the assessors what they want to squander next year and the assessor raises the tax (generally requires taxpayer approval) or the valuation on ech unit to equal the gross required. You can appeal to the county assessor and get a hearing but that only applies to your own personal property. The assessors will shrug and tell you that they are only doing what is required by law.

What you can do is inform other property owners. In the late 90's, I ran for a public office (and lost) after charting my local taxes over almost 20 years. The school taxes were unbelievable. But, last year, when my city tax increased by 10%, I checked before I complained and found that my city tax cost had not changed in the 6 prior years. Don't protest on emotion; urge others to check the actual numbers on their annual tax bills.

The county hospital tax cost is relatively modest but is rising a rate that is extraordinary. That is to pay the medical costs of the wetbacks and their children who were born here so they'd be citizens. See if your county hospital will reveal the births to wetbacks (they may use a more PC label). They want the increased revenue to pay these costs next year but don't want the taxpayers to know about the theft of the tax dollars. Data, not emotion, is your strongest ally.

9 posted on 07/03/2003 4:36:21 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: american spirit
Another thing. Check the records (if they'll let anyone see them) on tax abatements given to developers. Every tax dollar the politicians give away has to be covered by the rest of us. That is why it is important to know every time a politician has been a guest in a luxury box at the ball park and who paid the price. They bribe the politicians with $300-$500 family outings often enough that when they come to ask the politicians for tax abatements worth $10 million, it's a slam dunk.

The City of Bedford gave a tax abatement to the Mercedes Benz dealership. Why? Who knows. I asked if anyone believed they would have located out in West Cupcake, Texas instead if they hadn't got Bedford's gift. Intel promised to build a $ billion installation in Fort Worth in exchange for massive abatements. They got the money but haven't built. The rest of us our paying Intel's tax burden on the property they have in reserve.

10 posted on 07/03/2003 4:44:13 PM PDT by Tacis
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To: american spirit
I went to the open books days required by law and found that I was getting taxed roughly 30% higher than similar properties with similar land, improvements, and so on. I then took the info before the town board and made my case, reminding them that I had the right to go back and seek my 30% back for five years.

They called my bluff and banked on my being a wimp. It turns out that once we proved our case to a realestate attorney and the property owners paying the much lower taxes were school board members, relatives of town officials, and long time prominent residents, a simple letter from him got my assessment lowered.

As a result of their unwillingness to comply to my obvious valid request, the assessor took some heat from the county and had to reassess a whole bunch of properties.

I live in a small farming community of about three hundred property owners covering a huge geographic area but very few properties. I don't know if my profile or experience will help but good luck.

11 posted on 07/03/2003 5:02:16 PM PDT by blackdog (Who weeps for the tuna?)
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To: american spirit
Now I remember, it's called equalized value.
12 posted on 07/03/2003 5:03:22 PM PDT by blackdog (Who weeps for the tuna?)
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To: american spirit
The Protest Process [TARRANT COUNTY TEXAS]
CHECK OUT "EXEMPTIONS" THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET.

Texas Property Taxes: Taxpayers' Rights, Remedies & Responsibilities

13 posted on 07/03/2003 5:10:49 PM PDT by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: american spirit
Check this out:

C.L.O.U.T. Texas

From their mission statement:

"C.L.O.U.T. (Citizens Lowering Our Unfair Taxes) As proud citizens of Texas we understand that we have to pay our fair share of taxes in order to fund the important aspects of local and state government. However, our elected officials must make every effort to reduce spending in all areas so as to reduce our tax burden. They must also implement a tax system that is fair to all people. Currently the property tax structure puts an unfair burden on all homeowners.

The current system allows non-elected (and thus not accountable) appraisers to increase our property values up to 10% per year. At that rate the value of a home will double in less than 8 years. That means the average home value of $130,000 will be appraised at over $500,000 in just 15 years with the average homeowner facing yearly taxes of approximately $15,000. In retirement a person would need $300,000 with a 5% return in order to just pay the property taxes. Unless this system is changed, even if a home is paid for, many Texans will be forced out of their homes due to taxes.

The goal of C.L.O.U.T. is to work with the legislature to reduce spending and reduce the tax burden on homeowners. Join us and become a part of the fastest growing grass roots movement in Texas to reduce taxes. In 1998, then Governor George Bush told me that if we did not reduce spending and change the tax system we would have a tax revolt in Texas. The revolt has begun!

Dan Patrick, Founder "

14 posted on 07/03/2003 5:14:37 PM PDT by Birdlady
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To: Servant of the Nine
Is there a sales tax, or other taxes?

Where I live, in PA, we have a RE tax of $1600, a local income tax of 2%, a state income tax of 1%, a sales tax of 6% and a few nuisance taxes -- an occupation tax (mine is $400, most are lower) and a per capita tax of $10. Students and unemployed are exempt from the occupation tax. Medal of Honor winners are exempt from the RE tax -- that exemption doesn't apply to me.

15 posted on 07/04/2003 5:35:02 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Servant of the Nine
Follow-up on my lat post.

Thus where I live there is roughly $2000 non income based taxes. That leaves $9000 to be made up in sales and income taxes. Now a sales tax is like an income tax, for one's purchases rise with one's income. Net income, tht is, and not everything one spends on is sales taxed. But for estimating let's use a figure of 1/3 of one's gross goes out again in purchases that are subject to sales tax, that probably overestimates ths sales tax, but its close enough. A 6% sales tax is thus equivalent to a 2% income tax. So Pennsy has an effective income tax (income and sales inclusive) of 4% -- to use round figures. Add my !% local income tax, and the total effective state and local income tax is 5%.

That means my household (my wife and I) would have to gross 20 X 9000, or $180,000 in income to be equivalent to the San Antonio tax rate.

That's very HIGH. Old folks, unemployed folks, retired folks most definitely can not live there. I am mystified at such a high tax rate -- how, politically, can it sustain?

16 posted on 07/04/2003 8:57:57 AM PDT by bvw
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To: american spirit
Not having a whole lot of experience in these matters the only thing I can suggest is to look into user fee-type options like paying for garbage collection services & such, and see if town hall will go for it.
17 posted on 07/04/2003 9:27:36 AM PDT by inquest
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I did a search on all properties in my neighborhood sold in the past 6 months and got the average square foot value. Then I averaged only the houses sold that were similar to ours in terms of improvements, pool vs no pool, etc. Then I made a list of all the things we'd have to fix on our house to sell it and made a cost estimate for each (fence, roof repair, etc). I put all of this into a report with photos, etc and scheduled an appraisal hearing and got my appraisal lowered by over 10%. Not as much as I'd hoped, but I threw out a real lowball number at first then met them in the middle to save myself some hassle.

It's a scam and they know it but they're hoping you're too lazy to challenge them. That said, I see no end in sight to the cycle of over-appraise vs challenge. I guess the best thing is to make appraiser an elected office somehow.
18 posted on 07/04/2003 9:39:47 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: bvw
In San Antonio one house they looked at has an RE tax of $11,000 yearly.

But the good news is that according to state law it can only go up ten percent per year. < /sarcasm >

19 posted on 07/04/2003 9:43:45 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Black Agnes
Others will soon see ----we've got third world incomes in this area but NY type property taxes. It's getting ridiculous but we have to pay the free educations and medical care for all those indigents moving over.
20 posted on 07/07/2003 3:38:13 PM PDT by FITZ
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