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To: Bikers4Bush
If we turned back all the idiocy it would hopefully take another 200+ years to screw it up again.

How far back do you go? And how do you decide? It seems to me that since each state has a statehouse, with representation, and we have a Federal government bringing all the states together, again with bicameral representation, an amendment process, and courts, a free press, and a free market, that it's a little tough to justify "tearing" all that down in order to make it better.

Just because you don't like the OJ verdict, doesn't mean you burn down the courthouse, or revert back to English common law and begin our legal history all over again. Our government provides instruments with which to work. They have defined roles and limitations, but those are, as always, subject to our own ability to mind them.

So, how do you decide what is "idiocy" that needs turning back, and what isn't? Do I get to vote on it? Oh, that would be demon democracy. OK, do I get to vote for representation who will decide? How will it be determined? State by state? That's the republican way. So, let's see, we'll elect representatives from each state, then we'll have them all meet someplace, debate and vote on what to do, and we'll call it a Congress....

Get my drift? The instruments are all there and perfectly functional. Your problem is with the people. So what do you do? Kill people who disagree? Take away their rights? Clearly, a lot of Americans think Medicare is NOT idiocy in need of rolling back. Our system isn't keeping your from rolling it back. The people are!

30 posted on 07/02/2003 9:24:42 AM PDT by Huck
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To: Huck
"Oh, that would be demon democracy"

Our founders considered a Democracy to be an unstable fom of government. (both the federalist and anti-federalist papers).

We have a Democratic REPUBLIC. the difference is the rule of LAW. You mentioned medicade. There is no authorization in the Constitution for such activity. I'll agree that now it would be difficult to go back, but if past generatins had required that the Government operate INSIDE its Constitutional limitations then you would be able to take care of yourself when you retired on the 45-50% tax extraction that the Government takes.

I'll agree that the FORM of government is good and I have no desire to change it. I want "we the people" to REQUIRE that our elected officials DO THEIR JOB.

If the judicial branch decides to legislate then impeach them - they have no legislative authority. If the executive branch decides to legislate - remove them from office. If our Senators and representatives refuse to uphold their oath and support the Constitution - vote them out. If "we the people" would continue to do that, before long we would have a Constitutionally functioning government again.
32 posted on 07/02/2003 9:53:36 AM PDT by RRWCC (Even under a good king, a subject is still a subject.)
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