Ala. Judge Loses Ten Commandments Appeal

Washington Post ^ | July 1, 2003 | Associated Press

[Lurking Libertarian]

ATLANTA - A federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that a Ten Commandments monument the size of a washing machine must be removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirmed a ruling by a federal judge who said that the 2 1/2-ton granite monument, placed there by Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

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Moore put the monument in the rotunda of the courthouse in the middle of the night two summers ago. The monument features tablets bearing the Ten Commandments and historical quotations about the place of God in law.

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[Catspaw]

See post #519.

[exmarine]

See post 520.

[Dog Gone]

Well, by golly, let's quit teaching Constitutional law in our law schools because these issues aren't complicated. In fact, if we have any questions, we'll just ask you.

[TheCrusader]

"And by removing any public reference to His existence, they hope to increase their numbers."

They also hope to decrease their anxiety during their short stay on earth. If they believe there is no God they can do as they please without conscience or concern. What a shock they are in for - I truly feel bad for these people.

[lugsoul]

You called Judge Ed Carnes, Chief Judge J.L. Edmundson, and Judge Richard Story "godless amoral morons" who support killing babies, and you don't know the first thing about them, nor have you even read the opinion you are attacking. No one here needs to read my characterization to recognize the lack of class and character in those statements. And I'll say that wherever you want, as is my right.

[lugsoul]

Also - you should probably brush up on your reading a bit. Mr. Russell didn't hate God. He didn't believe in Him.

I do. But the fact that Russell and I don't share that belief doesn't make his statement any less true, as you prove repeatedly with your posts. Just as his beliefs did not make his work in physics any less accurate. Or, as you like to say, absolute.

So, now you admit that the framers did something wrong for purposes of expedience, and had to change it later. There goes the bottom level of the house of cards.

[TheCrusader]

"Vote for me! Whoo hoo! :p "

LOL

[TheCrusader]

"And who would divide our country in half, establish a new capital in California or Hawaii (opposite of establishment of Constantinople in the East) and make Christianity the state religion....."

Constantine didn't divide the Roman Empire into East and West, that split happened in 393 A.D., long after he was dead. Also, Constantine never made Christianity the "state religion"; he merely legalized it. In 313 A.D. Constantine issued the Edict of Milan, granting legal rights to all Christians and restoring their confiscated possessions.

[TheCrusader]

"This is not about the Free Exercise clause. It is about the Establishment Clause. Why not just read the opinion?"

Uh huh. And abortion is about "privacy". And slavery was about Blacks only being 2/3 human. How convenient. Supreme Court decisions, and Appeals Court decisions, are not always reflective of reality, they can say whatever they please, isolate a clause they chose to focus on, and exclude other pertinent clauses they don't want to look at. Two hundred years of American history clearly reveal that the Ten Commandments and other religious declarations, such as prayer, have been posted, etched, engraved, read, spoken and declared in government buildings in every State in the Union. The new-age Court decisions are about the stripping away of previous norms. In this way they will eventually force their own beliefs on all Americans by banning the public expression of our beliefs. We do, after all, live and express our lives out in the public every day. And have you noticed that the more religion is banned the deeper its antithesis, such as pornography, homosexuality, and drug abuse enters in to replace it? This is a spiritual warfare going on here. All these disgusting laws that abolish God from the public accomplish is to foster the opinion that God, and those who love Him, are somehow evil, and must not be seen in public lest they cause harm to some non-believer. It's all B.S.

[Lurking Libertarian]

As for lawyers...they were, at one time, outlawed in the great state of Virginia.

I never heard of that. Do you have a source?

[Dog Gone]

The constitution was written so all the people that were governed by it could understand its meaning.

What do you base that on? The Founders didn't even provide for women to vote. The country was made a republic, not a democracy, because the people couldn't be trusted to know what is good for them.

The Founders didn't even trust the people to elect their own Senators.

I really can't think of any basis for your statement. The document is not long, and most of the words are not complicated.

The principles when they are applied to the real life situations are enormously complicated.

[First Amendment]

For a Hindu, you sure post like a fundamentalist Christian.

I have not explained the whole body of my beliefs or philosophy.

[First Amendment]

Two hundred years of American history clearly reveal that the Ten Commandments and other religious declarations, such as prayer, have been posted, etched, engraved, read, spoken and declared in government buildings in every State in the Union.

True - and I wonder how people who think that such is unconstitutional can exmplain this away.

The new-age Court decisions are about the stripping away of previous norms. In this way they will eventually force their own beliefs on all Americans by banning the public expression of our beliefs. We do, after all, live and express our lives out in the public every day.

It is at the point where if there is public expression of religion (and I don't just mean Christianity) it is frowned upon (when not illegal) and religious people are portrayed in media and entertainment as either evil or stupid.

And have you noticed that the more religion is banned the deeper its antithesis, such as pornography, homosexuality, and drug abuse enters in to replace it? This is a spiritual warfare going on here.

I have mentioned several times lately that there are two religions of the world. Worship of the transcendent reality that is God, and worship (in lust or greed) of His creation, in imitation of Him

All these disgusting laws that abolish God from the public accomplish is to foster the opinion that God, and those who love Him, are somehow evil, and must not be seen in public lest they cause harm to some non-believer.

It is a war. And it is time - as someone mentioned on a thread called "Truce" - to put aside theological differences and sectarian concerns, to fight for the cause of God, and against the force of atheism.

[Kryptonite]

It is a war. And it is time - as someone mentioned on a thread called "Truce" - to put aside theological differences and sectarian concerns, to fight for the cause of God, and against the force of atheism.

Truism of the day.

[First Amendment]

Does that mean you agree or don't agree?

[FreeLibertarian]

If you had taken the time to read and understand the context of the post you wouldn't look like such an ignoramus but lacking that degree of integrity on your part all I can suggest is that you butt out.