Ala. Judge Loses Ten Commandments Appeal

Washington Post ^ | July 1, 2003 | Associated Press

[Lurking Libertarian]

ATLANTA - A federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that a Ten Commandments monument the size of a washing machine must be removed from the Alabama Supreme Court building.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously affirmed a ruling by a federal judge who said that the 2 1/2-ton granite monument, placed there by Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore, violates the constitutional separation of church and state.

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Moore put the monument in the rotunda of the courthouse in the middle of the night two summers ago. The monument features tablets bearing the Ten Commandments and historical quotations about the place of God in law.

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[lugsoul]

I didn't say anything about a fundamental right or a constitutional violation in that regard.

[jwalsh07]

It was a joke. Gotta go.

Till next time, keep the faith.:-}

[lugsoul]

Oh, what came first governs? I guess the Indian nations can decide for themselves what the Constitution means, and the rest of us are bound by it.

The Constitution created a Federal government. Under your view, we can have (at least) 50 different views of what the Constitution means, all equally valid. Yeah, sure, that's right.

[muawiyah]

Dear Lugsoul, with anti-semitism newly rampant in Europe among the leftwing intelligentsia (and their running dog lackies in the professional labor unions), people who would deny that the judges on the 11th are somehow immune to it are foolish.

Why don't you ask one of them what his private motives are regarding displays of the Ten Commandments. They are not, btw, something developed by Christian mystics, although you might well not wish to believe that.

Check out their stock portfolios as well. Remember, even such an august person as Martha Stewart appears to have been a tad less than honest in her own dealings, so why should a judge be any better. When you get the chance, check for names like "Hotpoint", "White Industries", and so forth. I am sure you know them better than I do.

[lugsoul]

Wow - your logic is impressive. Are you a LaRouche follower?

[DPB101]

Freedom is for everyone. I am on the side of those who founded America: let people do what they want, express their faith anyway they want. Somehow Americans worked it out for over 150 years. It wasn't until after WWII that liberals were able to turn the first amendment on its head. If you haven't noticed, enforcement of "separation of church and state" is very selective. Muslims are allowed to pray in NYC public schools, Muslims are allowed to use Federal land for a camp, Congress spent a million bucks on a religious school in Israel for "Black Israelites" from Chicago--yet the ACLU is suing to tear down a Veterans memorial in the Mojave desert which was erected in 1934. Why? It is in the shape of a Christian Cross.

[Texas_Jarhead]

I was refering to this, "The 11th Circuit never did cotton to Jews and their religion anywy.

Those ol'boys have probably invested in a gas oven manufacturer anyway on the outside chance that they can make a killing."

Am I to understand that you are comparing these ol'boys, typically a euphemism for southerners, to nazis? If so, that is completely absurd.

[lugsoul]

Let me make sure I have this right. There are anti-Semitic intellectuals in Europe. Therefore, judges who rule that an overtly Christian judge can't display a version of the 10 Commandments that he chose because it was a historically Christian version, deviating somewhat from the Jewish version, are actually closet anti-semites who want to restart the Holocaust. Yep, that makes perfect sense.

[muawiyah]

Lugsoul, why am I not surprised that you have studied the path of Larouche.

Unfortunately for your warped little ego, I am not interested in the Larouche people or philosophy, but I do fear that too many people in this country have no understanding of how an official policy of quite deadly anti-semitism was insinuated into the legal structure in Germany ~ even before the Nazis completely took over.

The 9th and 11th Circuits have been leading this nation down that path for quite some time. They must be stopped, and if a bit of invective and ridicule can help, then those techniques will have to be used.

[lugsoul]

Nah, he's not just comparing. He's saying they REALLY want to kill Jews in ovens. You see, because there are anti-Semites in Europe. See?

[muawiyah]

Not really, but if those ol'boys want to act like Nazis, then it's fair to refer to them like that.

BTW, Southerners have no monopoly on Nazi attitudes. But you knew that didn't you?!

[lugsoul]

I challenge you to lay out in any semblance of logic the anti-Semitic pattern in the rulings of the 11th Circuit.

[muawiyah]

Lugsoul, you just don't get it do you?

I am afraid I don't have enough patience to be your teacher. Actually, there's not enough time left until the heat death of the universe for you to come to grips with the issue.

[lugsoul]

Why don't you make some effort to determine their motives before you accuse them of wanting to kill Jews? Perhaps their motives are exactly what they wrote.

Nah - that would be too obvious for someone of your clearly proficient intellect.

[Dog Gone]

You're the one who must be joking, but obviously isn't.

The Constitution is not worth defending only while people like you or me are in the majority. If you don't understand that, I'm hoping most people here do.

[Sloth]

The chief judge of the county or state, using Moore's reasoning, could order that county and/or state courts to display Koranic banners and other symbols of Islam to the exclusion of all other religions and the feds could have no say.

Are you sure that this would be disallowed if attempted today? Just last week the SCOTUS said that the promotion of "diversity" is so important that the equal protection of the 14th Amendment can be disregarded. It is entirely possible that such a court could simultaneously find Judeo-Christian displays unconstitutional & Muslim displays constitutional, since Islam is a minority religion and therefore no reasonable person could perceive there to be a government establishment of it.

[lugsoul]

Oh, I get it. Order a court not to have an overtly religious display? You must want to kill Jews! Run a pig farm? You must want to kill Jews! Drive your car on Saturday? You must want to kill Jews! Ban the reading of Old Testament passages in public schools? You must want to kill Jews! Open government offices on Yom Kippur? You must want to kill Jews!

No one needs your instruction.

[Sloth]

The Constitution is not worth defending only while people like you or me are in the majority.

People like me are not remotely in the majority, and in fact the whole reason for having a constitution is to protect minorities from tyrannical democracy. What does that have to do with what I said? Can you *really* imagine a majority-Muslim US government unwilling to establish religion because of the 1st Amendment & the 11th Circuit?

[Dog Gone]

People like you trying to convince everyone else that they cannot comprehend the simple meaning of words are dispicable.

Fine. You decide for yourself what the Constitution says and means. You're a little supreme court. Forget what over 200 years of what some pretty smart people have written.

You've got it all figured out.

[muawiyah]

There are, in fact, people who wish to have the Jews killed, and they use any excuse they can to suppress Jews and things associated with both ancient and modern Judaism.

It's really difficult to tell them apart from your ordinary narrow minded bigots. So, every time a federal judge hits on the Ten Commandments thing his or her motives must be closely examined, and that can be done if and only if we dig deeply into their personal lives.

So far you have not shown me any evidence that the judges on the 11th Circuit have NOT purchased stock in gas oven factories.

In fact, you haven't provided me with any evidence that you don't wish to have the Jews exterminated.

(I noticed that you have resorted to name-calling after only a few posts back and forth, and that's ordinarily a sign that you may be a mind-numbed knee-jerk liberal, or just illmannered).