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'LACI IN BAGHDAD [Throwing cold water on our Iraqi "Quagmire" -My title]
New York Post ^ | 7/1/03 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 07/01/2003 12:28:11 PM PDT by My2Cents

A relatively small number of foreseeable attacks - predicted by this column months ago - have been blown wildly out of proportion.

Our troops are doing remarkably well - but the headlines make it sound like a disaster. Last weekend, almost as many Americans died in a residential balcony collapse in Chicago as have been killed by hostile fire in "postwar" Iraq.

As a former soldier, I don't discount any American casualties as unimportant. But the fact is that, despite real errors and miscues, reconstruction efforts in Iraq are going surprisingly well.

How bad is it in Iraq? It's terrible - if you're a former Saddam loyalist, ex-secret policeman or Ba'ath Party muckety-muck on the wrong end of Operation Sidewinder. The party's over for Baghdad's bully-boys, and they don't much like it.

As one pal of mine serving in Iraq puts it, the attacks on U.S. forces are foolish acts of desperation. The last hardcore loyalists - those whose futures and fortunes were tied to Saddam - have recognized how unexpectedly smoothly the U.S. occupation has been going (Saddam's guys don't read the Western press, so they don't realize we're doomed to failure). And they're trying everything they can to disrupt things.

We shouldn't be surprised that the last embittered thugs are engaging in occasional acts of terrorism against us - on the contrary, we should be relieved that we see so little continuing resistance. After toppling a totalitarian regime that ruled a population of 25 million for over a generation, it's amazing that we face only one or two attacks every few days. We could be suffering hundreds of incidents daily, if the population stood behind Saddam & Co.

On our worst day last week, when two convoys came under attack, more than 600 other U.S. convoys didn't hear a single shot. Two patrols got into firefights. The other 500 patrols didn't even get hit with a water balloon.

Are the Iraqis "turning against us"? Bull. Our best sources of intelligence continue to be Iraqis who are glad the regime is gone and don't want it to come back in any way, shape or form.

The Iraqi population is complex, with varying interests, loyalties and levels of political sophistication. But the masses aren't demonstrating to bring back Saddam, Uday and Qusay. They may find the integrity and diligence of our soldiers frustrating as they try to work their local scams - but they don't miss the secret police.

Pounded onto the ropes, the last regime terrorists are trying to disrupt power supplies and public services, while assassinating key Iraqi citizens who cooperate with us. But the Iraqi people aren't stupid - uneducated in the demands of democracy, yes, but with the innate intelligence of human beings everywhere. And the Iraqis are survivors. They know who's cutting the power now. They know who's threatening them. The terror techniques employed by the holdout regime loyalists are going to backfire.

And this administration won't run. It will take months, but our troops will root out the killers. A year from now, we'll still see occasional acts of terror. But we won, the terror regime lost - and the whining of the Democratic leadership won't change it.

We should be cheering for our troops, not insulting their performance.

Of course, the beleaguered Democrats, for whom incompetence is an art form, make the Bush administration's weak planning for postwar Iraq look insignificant. Last week, Sen. Joe Biden, one of the key trigger men in the Democratic Party's circular firing squad, disparaged the progress our troops are making in Iraq. He bought into the cheapest headlines, instead of examining the evidence.

Sen. Biden, who has been wrong on nearly every foreign-policy issue of our time, made the lunatic suggestion that we should beg Paris for French troops to help us out.

Leaving aside any rancor we may feel toward the French for betraying our alliance, human rights and the fundamental values of Western Civilization, and allowing that Biden might be happier sipping a third-rate Bordeaux on a Parisian boulevard than drinking from the bitter cup of reality in Washington, the fact is that any French involvement would be disastrous. You don't put a rattlesnake in the baby's cradle.

First, the French can't fight worth a damn. Oh, the Foreign Legion's OK, if you don't mind extreme human-rights abuses. And their paratroopers have a history of refined torture techniques, massacre and mutiny. But the average French soldier is as worthless as the average French intellectual. And the French would have no incentive, whatsoever, to engage in serious efforts to bring Saddam's loyalists to justice.

Paris is still on Saddam's side, for God's sake. Oh, they don't say it openly. But Chirac & Co. want us to fail in Iraq. And they want their oil contracts back.

Perhaps Sen. Biden should take a cue from President Bush and make an African tour of his own - to examine the wreckage French support for dictators, mass murderers and cannibal-emperors created in their former colonies. (Check out Jean-Bedel Bokassa, who made paté out of his political opponents - when he wasn't playing kissy-face with former French President Valery Giscard d'Estaing.)

Iraq's our baby, and we have the muscle and the moxie to bring it up right. The kid may turn out to be a juvenile delinquent, but it won't be because we didn't do our best.

In the meantime, we'll hold on to the family-car keys, thanks. And neither the remaining terrorists in Iraq, nor the soulless opportunists in Paris, nor human helium balloons like Joe Biden are going to stop us.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bushdoctrineunfold; iraq; ralphpeters; warlist; waronterror
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To: My2Cents
It was only a question, don't get defensive. Jeez.
41 posted on 07/01/2003 1:51:14 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: js1138
Mining of Haiphong harbor (which Nixon tried later) would have been about as succesful as the British closure of Boston Port in the 1770s. The problems in SV were internal in SV as nearly every ARVN officer was involve in coup plotting one time or another rather than fighting the commies.

An invasion of NV, of course, would have been a disaster and brought massive Chinese intervention (a la Korea).

42 posted on 07/01/2003 1:56:28 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: 1rudeboy
You said the feature was "annoying." I took offense.
43 posted on 07/01/2003 2:01:03 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: My2Cents
So this probably wouldn't be a good time to point-out that you shouldn't have changed the title? LOL
44 posted on 07/01/2003 2:03:26 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Captain Kirk
I don't recall recommending an invasion. Of course that's what the democrats would have done. My point is we fought in the country we were trying to defend. the country where the war is fought is the one that get destroyed. As for China, it depends on whether you are credible in your intention to win.
45 posted on 07/01/2003 2:07:41 PM PDT by js1138
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Yeah, very funny. I am sure that all the Americans who have lost loved ones since "victory" was declared would appreciate your humor.
46 posted on 07/01/2003 2:08:01 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: js1138
Winning against millions of Chinese troops! The hubris on this site is amazing. MacArthur (a la 1951) was a realist compared to most freepers.
47 posted on 07/01/2003 2:09:40 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"made the lunatic suggestion that we should beg Paris for French troops to help us out."

The French have troops? Since when?

48 posted on 07/01/2003 2:11:32 PM PDT by tuna_battle_slight_return (Sine waves.)
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To: RGSpincich
The Laci Peterson story is a good example. One murder, among many, catches on

I'm sorry for Laci. I hope Scott gets what he deserves. I'm sorry about this Patrick Dennehy who apparently went out "shooting" with his buddy and ended up in a duel. But on the scale of "things I need to know" they both wind up at a big fat zero.

Why can't I get anything more than 45 second snippets and stock file footage out of these so-called journalists in B-diddy? I need to know what's REALLY going on there, not just reports of our guys getting capped without any context or reporting on what happened to the bad guys.

Geez Louise, FNC, you're getting as bad as the rest of them. Throw us a bone.
49 posted on 07/01/2003 2:12:12 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: js1138
Yeah, but then we got our asses whupped in the Tet offensive. Right? Ri-ght? We didn't? You mean we kicked THEIR tails? Then why did we bug out? The world wonders.
50 posted on 07/01/2003 2:15:02 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: johnb838
The Media has their agenda and normally only the NEWS that aids in attaining the Agenda gets reported!
51 posted on 07/01/2003 2:20:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: 1rudeboy
Actually, the Adm. Moderator (our "overlords") changed it for me, but thank you for the thought. :-)
52 posted on 07/01/2003 2:23:41 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: tuna_battle_slight_return
The French have troops? Since when?

Well, SOMEONE has to surrender on the field of battle...

53 posted on 07/01/2003 2:24:52 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: My2Cents
ROFL!!!
54 posted on 07/01/2003 2:38:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: My2Cents
In lieu of this article, 'LACI IN BAGHDAD I remomend this article from The Christian Science Monitor's electronic edition.

XXX: Here's the type of stuff I have to deal with. This steaming you-know-what was dropped in my lap at the last moment. Fortunately, most of the description/narrative came through me and the story came out pretty balanced. It just underscores the perception obstacles over here.

_________________________________________________________________________ Click here to read this story online:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0623/p01s03-woiq.html

Headline: In Iraq, a battle for credibility
Byline: Scott Peterson Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Date: 06/23/2003

(BAGHDAD)The way Riad Fadel Hamza tells the story, the six days he spent in US military detention were a horror show of abuse.

"They poured water on me and used electricity," Mr. Hamza says, pointing to a graze on his forearm, as a cluster of Iraqis around him nod sympathetically. "They shocked me repeatedly."

US military officials investigating the case at the Monitor's request firmly reject those allegations. "We found absolutely nothing to substantiate that claim," says US Army Lt. Col. Kirk Warner, the deputy staff judge advocate for coalition forces in Iraq.

The conflicting versions illustrate that, as the US tries to crush pockets of armed resistance here, it is also locked in a struggle for credibility. With Iraqis seeing little improvement in their lives so far, and amid Iraqi criticism that American methods are too heavy handed, Iraq is increasingly fertile ground for resentment and rumor.

Three recent examples of alleged torture, alleged execution of an Iraqi in US medical care, and the alleged rape of two Iraqi women - all later proven to be false, or almost certain to be - show how such perceptions take seed, spread and can be believed.

"Because of the tough way Americans are behaving and treating people, Iraqis tend to believe anything they hear about the Americans," says Saad Jawad, a political scientist at Baghdad University. On top of that, the civilian administrator Paul Bremer, "is doing nothing to win over Iraqis," he says. "That's leading to anger - people see no positive sign, and so [they] believe anything."

US officers insist that they adhere to the Geneva Conventions as the occupying power in Iraq. But a preoccupation with security and frequent lethal attacks by anti-US forces have triggered questions of possible abuse, and resulted in civilian deaths.

Applying electric shocks to a prisoner in US custody is not unprecedented - an American soldier was found to have done so to a detainee in Somalia in 1993. But US legal officers in Iraq who investigated the case of Hamza and his fellow detainees say that the claim in this instance is false.

"These folks were not abused," says Warner. "[They] are taken to a pretty sizable detention facility. It's not like they are taken to a back room somewhere."

US forces came under fire last week from human rights watchdog Amnesty International for tough detention conditions in Iraq, though US officers say it never visited a US facility. The International Committee of the Red Cross has twice visited the detention facility at the Baghdad Airport, the officers say, and US officers say they can enter any time.

The US military is investigating whether its troops were responsible for the death of an Iraqi prisoner of war in a detention camp near Nasiriyah. And the British military is looking into the deaths of two Iraqis who were under British control and into allegations of torture or beatings by British troops.

By Saturday, more than 90 raids conducted in a week during "Operation Desert Scorpion" brought in 540 new detainees.

Hamza and four others were picked up in a raid of an Islamic cultural center June 3 in Jubayl, about 55 miles south of Baghdad, by US Marines acting on a tip that the building was being used to prepare anti-US attacks.

According to a narrative compiled for the US military's Baghdad legal office by the US units involved in the arrest and detention of the five Iraqis, a copy of which was provided to the Monitor, the reason for the raid was information that 20 people reportedly linked to Islamic militants were "training to go against coalition forces." During interrogation, the narrative states, one detainee, Assad Tali al-Duleimi, said they were "instructed to collect weapons and await the arrival of a sheikh from Iran who would lead them against the coalition."

While Hamza claims that he was pelted with rocks while handcuffed and that a burning chemical was applied to his eyes, the US military narrative paints a different picture. It describes how detainees were asked if they needed medication, and noted that one was a diabetic, and that they received daily medical checks. Hamza "was caught numerous times faking convulsions" and "observed to attempt to bite his knees and hitting [sic] himself on the head with his knees," the narrative states. He was released June 9, when he was deemed to be of "no further military intelligence value."

Hamza's version of events has convinced his colleagues from the Islamic Cultural Center, however: "I think this was against Islam, because we have nothing to do with terrorism," says Said Mahdi al-Hassani.

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55 posted on 07/01/2003 2:43:04 PM PDT by yoe (some people can actually get work done with out the burden of political correctness, Pipes is one!)
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To: Captain Kirk
Most of them are patriots and understand that our nation's freedoms have been secured by the sacrifice of our brave soldiers. They understand that those who died facing down Saddam's killers have paid the ultimate cost just as their forefathers did facing down Hitler's killers.

Too bad you don't have the same understanding.

The Whiners over these deaths are those with no connection to the military except to disrespect and undermine. They almost invariably hate it and all who serve except when their deaths can be used for an anti-American agenda.
56 posted on 07/01/2003 3:00:11 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: johnb838
Yeah, but then we got our asses whupped in the Tet offensive.

I was there. I don't remember getting whupped. I had just arrived and didn't know anything special was going on until I read about in newsweek.

57 posted on 07/01/2003 3:03:49 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Captain Kirk
Winning against millions of Chinese troops!

I don't recall suggesting fighting Chinese troops.

58 posted on 07/01/2003 3:05:54 PM PDT by js1138
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To: tuna_battle_slight_return
"The French have troops? Since when?"

They are only used to train the civilian population how to surrender.
59 posted on 07/01/2003 3:08:41 PM PDT by A Texan (Lets finish the Game.)
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To: yoe
"Laci In Baghdad," or your offering, authored by (I don't believe it!), SCOTT PETERSON, staff writer for the CSM!
60 posted on 07/01/2003 3:17:39 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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