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To: TheDon
Cute, but neither accurate, nor relevant to the discussion at hand.

It is relevant in the sense that states still have as much right to secede now as they did in 1861.

As far as enumerating specific grievances, no such list is required. However, if it's specificity you want, check out a few of the Declarations of Causes of Secession (http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html). Yes, slavery was an issue, but the bigger issue was the preservation of states' rights.

37 posted on 07/01/2003 8:33:56 AM PDT by sheltonmac
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To: sheltonmac
In the Articles of Secession, as ratified by the Southern states, states' rights and sovereignty were mentioned numerously whereas "slave-holding" was used only to specify which states were being abused by the government.

They can be found here:

http://www.17thmississippi.com/artssec.html
40 posted on 07/01/2003 8:43:12 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: sheltonmac
"It is relevant in the sense that states still have as much right to secede now as they did in 1861."

Now that is something we can agree on! They had no right then, and no right now! ;)

"As far as enumerating specific grievances, no such list is required."

So you say, and no doubt it would injure your argument to attempt such. That is why one never sees such a list today. When one attempts to cloak the rebellion of the Southern States in the DOI, you had better have such a list ready.

Georgia

"The majority of the people of the North in 1860 decided it in their own favor. We refuse to submit to that judgment"

Mississippi

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery"

South Carolina

"On the 4th day of March next, this party will take possession of the Government. It has announced that the South shall be excluded from the common territory, that the judicial tribunals shall be made sectional, and that a war must be waged against slavery until it shall cease throughout the United States."

No matter how they, or anyone today, try to cover it up, the Rebellion was always about slavery. Slavery, slavery, slavery. And you can see in the South Carolina admission, they aren't so much rebelling against abuses in the past, but those they envision in the future.

It is ironic that the path they chose led to the destruction of the institution of slavery that they were fighting to preserve.

50 posted on 07/01/2003 9:28:58 AM PDT by TheDon ( It is as difficult to provoke the United States as it is to survive its eventual and tardy response)
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