Read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE [revisit and think oppressive Supreme Court]

citizens | July 4, 1776 | Thomas Jefferson

[ex-snook]

It is inevitable that government grow more oppressive and controlling?

Direct this to the Supreme Court and I'd sign.

[eno_]

While buggery is not a very attractive cause, and I have some reservations about the sates' rights effect, I think the executive regulatory, tax, and welfare apparatus of the fedgov is more of an affront to the principles of the Declaration than this SCOTUS ruling.

[So Cal Rocket]

"... the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them ..."

"... that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ..."

"... appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world ..."

"... with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence ..."

Alas, if this were sent to the Supreme Court they would strike it down as being unconstitutional.

[bandleader]

Buggerations,We've got an "Activist"Supreme Court!Who'd a Thunk It???

[DAnconia55]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness

Missed this part, did we?

[ex-snook]

"Alas, if this were sent to the Supreme Court they would strike it down as being unconstitutional. "

We no longer have the equal balance intended by our founders. The SC has assumed the role of the King unchallenged by the Legislature. It is time to override the SC with Constitutional amendments to preserve the balance. If the whole exercise is just legislature cop-out of political decisions then we are doomed.

[arasina]

The sad thing is, the very things which caused us to revolt ~225 years ago seem to be SOP in this country today and it doesnt seem to bother anyone.

Yep. "He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance."

[jla]

Missed this part, did we?

Certainly not. But could you just imagine a society where anyone's particular notion of pursuit to happiness goes unchecked?

I imagine, from what I've read, that Charles Manson & his group were of jovial disposition while on their savage murder spree.

[eno_]

Are you seriously comparing buggery to Charles Manson? Gee, if we leave buggerers alone, it will surely lead to more Charles Mansons! And they'll start manufacturing the AMC Gremlin again, too! And disco will make a comeback (the Village People, doncha know)!

[mrsmith]

"it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness "

Missed this part did you?

Or did you read it as "...the Right of the Court to alter or abolish it..."?

If only you'd been there to save Madison from all that time he wasted writing a Bill of Rights to limit the feds powers.

[jla]

I was making a pt. regarding the pursuit of happiness which obviously eluded you....as does the fact that the United States is a nation founded on an unshakable belief in God and the Holy Bible.
Omitting morality from this debate is what's unConstitutional.

[El Gato]

Missed this part, did we?

And you missed this part:

He has refuted his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

[Jim Noble]

This is, you should pardon the expression, crap.

Our representatives have the power to put a stop to all this nonsense immediately and effectively-the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over matters on appeal, other than as Congress allows, as this case makes clear.

Get Congress to do its job.

[eno_]

The nation was not founded by intolerant Bible thumpers ignorant of human nature.

The Book correctly instructs against buggery. But that doesn't mean the Founders meant to bend the might of the state against every sin or vice.

I'm glad you are not a buggerer. I hope you are glad I'm not one either. I'd just rather not have the cops, courts, and gaolers spend their time worrying about this matter either.

[jla]

The nation was not founded by intolerant Bible thumpers ignorant of human nature

You're right, it was founded by wise, tolerant men who were humble before God and obeyed His laws.
Please don't pretend that you know anything about my country's history.

[Madame Dufarge]

As an interesting aside (at least to me):

Background:

The Second Continental Congress was remarkable for several things, not the least of which was selecting George Washington as the Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army, being created to fight the British Army assembled at Boston. You will recall that the Boston Massacre and events at Lexington, Concord and Breeds Hill (next to Bunker Hill) had only recently stirred up the fighting in the northeastern colonies. Once the business of creating an army was taken care of, it was deemed necessary to inform the world of the reasons why the colonies had taken up arms. The first attempt at drafting such a declaration was by Thomas Jefferson, but was ruled far too militant. A second attempt was made by Colonel John Dickinson, known for earlier pamphlets in which he called himself "The Farmer."

The final result was apparently a combination of both writers. Stange that Dickinson should create such a document; he was under considerable pressure from his wife and mother, both Tory sympathizers, and he was no great fan of the New England representatives to Congress. An incident related in A New Age Now Begins by Page Smith, marks him as an even more unlikely choice for the writer of such a declaration: "Dickinson once more had his way when Congress approved still another petition to the King. Dickinson was delighted when it passed and rose to express his pleasure. There was only one word to which he objected, since it might possible offend His Majesty, and that was the word "Congress."

Whereupon Benjamin Harrison of Virginia promptly rose and, inclining his head to John Hancock, declared, "There is but one word in the paper, Mr. President, of which I approve, and that is the word "Congress."

Following is the complete text of that document published almost exactly a year before the Declaration of Independence:

Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms - July 6, 1775

[ex-snook]

"Missed this part did you?

Or did you read it as "...the Right of the Court to alter or abolish it..."?

That highlights the issue. Have the Courts become a super-legislature preempting matters from voter's decision? A more powerful King George has emerged in robes.

[wku man]

"Get Congress to do its job."

I agree with the principle, Jim, but come on. It would be easier, as Algore so stupidly put it, to get a leopard to change it's stripes, than to get Congress to actually do it's assigned job of protecting the Constitution. We the People are gonna have to step up and do our civil duty, but that's not gonna be so easy, either. Things are gonna have to get really bad to wake this nation up, bro.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[upcountryhorseman]

It looks to me like things HAVE gone really bad.
This goes against the values and principles of
many religions in this country as well as the
majority of the population.