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To: AntiGuv; jwalsh07
The Bowers v Hardwick ruling which was reversed cited Europe as precedent

I read you link, and could not find the cite, and then did a search for the word "Europe" and "European" and came up empty. Perhaps your younger and sharper eyes and mind can find it. In any event, it is all bs. Kennedy was chatting about changing Western mores, and mentioned Europe. Big deal. What is a big deal, was his go with the flow via soaring rhetoric result, creating a judicial precept that is highly subject to a whole new round of judicial legislation, particularly in the hands of a court with another liberal on it.

The Europe cite brouhaha is just one of those red meat thingies, to stir up the crowd.

130 posted on 06/29/2003 5:28:56 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie; jwalsh07
Kennedy was responding to Chief Justice Burger's concurrence in Bowers, posted below in full:

CHIEF JUSTICE BURGER, concurring.

I join the Court's opinion, but I write separately to underscore my view that in constitutional terms there is no such thing as a fundamental right to commit homosexual sodomy.

As the Court notes, ante, at 192, the proscriptions against sodomy have very "ancient roots." Decisions of individuals relating to homosexual conduct have been subject to state intervention throughout the history of Western civilization. Condemnation of those practices is firmly rooted in Judeao-Christian moral and ethical standards. Homosexual sodomy was a capital crime under Roman law. See Code Theod. 9.7.6; Code Just. 9.9.31. See also D. Bailey, Homosexuality [478 U.S. 186, 197] and the Western Christian Tradition 70-81 (1975). During the English Reformation when powers of the ecclesiastical courts were transferred to the King's Courts, the first English statute criminalizing sodomy was passed. 25 Hen. VIII, ch. 6. Blackstone described "the infamous crime against nature" as an offense of "deeper malignity" than rape, a heinous act "the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature," and "a crime not fit to be named." 4 W. Blackstone, Commentaries *215. The common law of England, including its prohibition of sodomy, became the received law of Georgia and the other Colonies. In 1816 the Georgia Legislature passed the statute at issue here, and that statute has been continuously in force in one form or another since that time. To hold that the act of homosexual sodomy is somehow protected as a fundamental right would be to cast aside millennia of moral teaching.

This is essentially not a question of personal "preferences" but rather of the legislative authority of the State. I find nothing in the Constitution depriving a State of the power to enact the statute challenged here.

132 posted on 06/29/2003 5:32:10 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Torie
The Europe cite brouhaha is just one of those red meat thingies, to stir up the crowd.

Well, to that I plead guilty.

133 posted on 06/29/2003 5:32:37 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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