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To: betty boop; Luis Gonzalez; Phaedrus; unspun; Alamo-Girl; logos; DAnconia55; Drew68; pram; ...
Were it not for Article IV, Section 1, paragraph 1, I could go along fairly cheerfully leaving the matter of gay marriage up to the several states. Certain states would have gay marriage, others would not, and people would be entirely free to move to whatever state(s) they find congenial.

'splain somethin' to me Jeanie.

Why do we conservatives still want to bank so much on "leaving it up to the states," when doing so in the case of very basic/fundamental/foundational issues, would leave us a fractions people?

Think of the slavery crisis, for example. I hope we've learned something from that, about our union... republic... nation....

And can anyone else tell me why we think the hit-and-miss idea of "leaving it up to the states" is so good, for critical matters foundational to our People? (Abortion, international drug trade, marriage, and whatever other examples.)

Also, is this what we really want for policy haveing to do with food and pharmaceutical standards, space exploration, the Internet, the Interstates, superconductors, etc.?

I think we've grown up some as a nation, since the Constitution was drafted and a part of returning us to constitutionality would be to adapt the Constitution to our present realities.

509 posted on 07/01/2003 11:38:45 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: betty boop
You know I'm not picking on you though my wise and gay Sister J.*

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*gay

adj 1: bright and pleasant; promoting a feeling of cheer; "a cheery hello"; "a gay sunny room"; "a sunny smile" [syn: cheery, sunny] 2: full of or showing high-spirited merriment; "when hearts were young and gay"; "a poet could not but be gay, in such a jocund company"- Wordsworth; "the jolly crowd at the reunion"; "jolly old Saint Nick"; "a jovial old gentleman"; "have a merry Christmas"; "peals of merry laughter"; "a mirthful laugh" [syn: jocund, jolly, jovial, merry, mirthful] 3: given to social pleasures often including dissipation; "led a gay Bohemian life"; "a gay old rogue with an eye for the ladies" 4: brightly colored and showy; "girls decked out in brave new dresses"; "brave banners flying"; "`braw' is a Scottish word"; "a dress a bit too gay for her years"; "birds with gay plumage" [syn: brave, braw] 5: offering fun and gaiety; "a gala ball after the inauguration"; "a festive (or festal) occasion"; "gay and exciting night life"; "a merry evening" [syn: gala(a), festal, festive, merry] 6: homosexual or arousing homosexual desires [syn: queer, homophile(a)] n : someone who practices homosexuality; having a sexual attraction to persons of the same sex [syn: homosexual, homo]
Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=gay

510 posted on 07/01/2003 11:50:18 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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To: unspun
Thank you so much for sharing your views! I see the paragraph that betty boop mentioned as the "trial attorney empowerment" section. Things of a national interest ought to be addressed by Congress (and not the courts) to the extent that the Constitution allows. Everything else belongs to the states.
511 posted on 07/01/2003 12:23:30 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: unspun; Luis Gonzalez; Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; DAnconia55
And can anyone else tell me why we think the hit-and-miss idea of "leaving it up to the states" is so good, for critical matters foundational to our People? (Abortion, international drug trade, marriage, and whatever other examples.)

Well, I'm not saying I'm "right" about this; but the way I see it, this represents a tactical retreat. The disorder is so out of hand, and so totally focused on and expressed through the institutions of the federal government, that to me it's preferable to "devolve" this power from one power center to 50. If nothing else, the projection of "progressivist" power would be much less efficient under 50 different power centers than under just one.

Secondly, when you're hemorrhaging, the first thing you need to do is stop the bleeding. Progressivist "social change" has gone so far, and been so accepted by so many for so long, that it may not be reversible in the short term, if ever. Time is needed, to get an effective handle on the political process and, more importantly, to build a base of cultural power and try to shore up support for sensible change. Gradualism was the route that took us to where we are now; and gradualism will be the route back to sanity, if we are ever to get there. IMHO FWIW

515 posted on 07/01/2003 1:45:35 PM PDT by betty boop (We can have either human dignity or unfettered liberty, but not both. -- Dean Clancy)
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To: unspun
"And can anyone else tell me why we think the hit-and-miss idea of "leaving it up to the states" is so good?

What do you think would happen if Roe v. Wade were overturned today, and States allowed to decide on whether or not to legalize abortion?

Before Roe v. Wade, there were an average of 98,000 illegal abortiong performed in the US yearly, look at the chart below and see the impact of the Federal government on abortion via Roe v. Wade:

   Year              
AGI
             CDC

   1973

       744,600


615, 831

1974

898,600

763,476

1975

1,034,200

854,853

1976

1,179,300

988,267

1977

1,316,700

1,079,430

1978

1,409,600

1,157,776

1979

1,497,700

1,251,921

1980

1,553,900

1,297,606

1981

1,577,300

1,300,760

1982

1,573,900

1,303,980

1983

1,575,000

1,268,987

1984

1,577,200

1,333,521

1985

1,588,600

1,328,570

1986

1,574,000

1,328,112

1987

1,559,100

1,353,671

1988

1,590,800

1,371,285

1989

1,566,900

1,396,658

1990

1,608,600

1,429,577

1991

1,556,500

1,388,937

1992

1,528,900

1,359,145

1993

1,500,000

1,330,414

1994

1,431,000

1,267,415

1995

1,363,690

1,210,883

1996

1,365,730

1,221,585

1997

1,328,000

1,186,039

1998

* 1,328,000

 §  884,273

1999

* 1,328,000

 §  861,789

2000

 1,313,300

     861,789

  2001

* 1,313,300  §  861,789

  2002

* 1,313,300  §  861,789

533 posted on 07/01/2003 8:51:24 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
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