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'Black box' reveals all about how you drive
Tacoma News Tribune ^ | June 29th, 2003 | MATTHEW FORDAHL

Posted on 06/29/2003 9:38:26 AM PDT by microgood

No one disputes that Michelle Zimmermann lost control of her 2002 GMC Yukon as she drove on a two-lane highway in Massachusetts one snowy afternoon last January. Her friend died after the SUV slammed into a tree.

Zimmermann claims she was driving within the posted 40-mph speed limit, but like millions of other Americans the 33-year-old didn't know that her vehicle had a "black box." Monitoring her driving, it recorded the last few seconds before the crash.

Bolstered by data that they say indicates Zimmermann was driving well above the speed limit, prosecutors have charged the Beverly, Mass., woman with negligent vehicular homicide. She has pleaded not guilty and faces up to 2 1/2 years in jail if convicted.

An estimated 25 million automobiles in the United States now have so-called event data recorders, a scaled-down version of the devices that monitor cockpit activity in airplanes. Like aviation recorders, automobile black boxes mainly receive attention after an accident.

What the devices record increasingly finds its way into courtrooms as evidence in criminal and civil cases, leading some privacy advocates to question how the recorders came to be installed so widely with so little public notice or debate.

"It's like having a government agent driving around in the back seat of your car," said Bob Weiner, Zimmermann's defense attorney and a former prosecutor. "I think it's a tremendous invasion of privacy."

Most people apparently don't know whether the vehicles they drive are equipped with event data recorders. Nearly two-thirds of people surveyed by an insurance industry group knew nothing about them.

"The real issue is one of notice, and the problem arises from the fact that information is being collected about people's driving behavior without them knowing," said David Sobel, general counsel of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "If drivers knew about the device, they could at least then begin asking questions."

Automakers and regulators have ignored basic privacy questions, leaving individual courts to decide such issues as who owns the information and whether a warrant is required to access it, he said. Some studies have questioned the data's reliability and accuracy.

Prosecutors, police and accident reconstructionists say the boxes yield information no different from what can be gleaned from crushed metal, skid marks and other evidence at the scene. Now, they say, calculations can be backed up.

"It's appearing in prosecutors' cases in support of the normal reconstruction," said W.R. "Rusty" Haight, director of the Collision Safety Institute.

A number of recent court cases across the country have involved event data recorders.

In early June, Edwin Matos of Pembroke Pines, Fla., was sentenced to 30 years in prison for slamming his car into a vehicle driven by two teenage girls, killing both. Data from the recorder showed he was driving more than 100 mph just seconds before the crash.

In April, Arlington Heights, Ill., police officer Charles Tiedje received a $10 million settlement after data from the hearse that struck his squad car contradicted claims that the driver blacked out. The device showed the supposedly unconscious driver accelerated and braked in the moments before the October 2000 crash.

The devices' primary function is to monitor various sensors and decide whether to fire air bags. But secondary and more recently installed features in many recorders store data from a few seconds before a crash.

Though capabilities vary widely among carmakers, most recorders store only limited information on speed, seat belt use, physical forces, brakes and other factors. Voices are not recorded.

General Motors Corp. has been using recording-capable devices, called Sensing and Diagnostic Modules, since the 1990s to help improve safety and gather statistics. GM spokesman Jim Schell said consumer privacy has always been a top concern.

"We collect the data with the permission of the owner or the person who is leasing the vehicle," he said. "When that data is collected, we take great care to assure confidentiality."

The modules helped GM figure out why some air bags were deploying inadvertently, leading to a recall in 1998 of more than 850,000 Cavaliers and Sunfires.

But there's a lot more interest in the data beyond engineering - namely, from lawyers.

GM and, more recently, Ford Motor Co. now allow outsiders to access the data by buying a $2,500 reader built by Santa Barbara, Calif.-based Vetronix Corp. The company says its primary customers are accident reconstructionists, law enforcement and insurance companies.

So far, about 1,000 of the devices have been sold, primarily in the United States and Canada. The company hopes to reach deals to cover data from other carmakers.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has been studying data recorders for years, trying to determine whether the auto industry should standardize the equipment. Any decision could be years away, and there's no guarantee privacy would be addressed then. Agency spokesman Tim Hurd said state courts should decide what's admissible.

Haight, a former San Diego police officer, dismisses the privacy concerns because driving - and crashes - are public.

But Sobel argues that drivers at the very least have a right to know that their actions might be recorded. He also fears that data recorders will converge with other devices - such as locators and voice recorders - now finding their way into cars.

"It's hard to say that there is general public acceptance of this when the public has no idea about it," he said.

Associated Press writer Toshi Maeda in San Jose contributed to this report.


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To: liberalnot
his box would indicate his errors

his box would indicate his TOTAL DISREGARD FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OTHER MOTORISTS

21 posted on 06/29/2003 10:40:57 AM PDT by Bitman
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To: DannyTN
If its after year model 1999 the odds are increasinly that it is there.
22 posted on 06/29/2003 10:41:08 AM PDT by Abogado
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To: thinktwice
I love seeing liars outed. People with no respect for truth get no sympathy from here.
23 posted on 06/29/2003 10:42:21 AM PDT by gcruse (There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women[.] --Margaret Thatcher)
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To: July 4th
EMP (Electrical Magnetic Pulse) :)
24 posted on 06/29/2003 10:43:06 AM PDT by Abogado
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To: July 4th; c-b 1
They don't have that stuff on old cars, do they? I'm driving an 89 New Yorker.

Heehee, set the car on fire!!!
25 posted on 06/29/2003 10:47:02 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: microgood
"...automatic wireless ticketing..."

We are not quite there yet, but there have been the first baby steps toward tickets and penalties when these event recorders show that a driver was speeding. One recent case involved a New England rental car company which assessed a violation fee when the rental car was shown to have exceeded the speed limit after it was returned. I don't remember all of the details, but I think the driver challenged the action and the adverse publicity was so great the rental agency dropped the fee.

26 posted on 06/29/2003 11:03:43 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: microgood
How is this different in the blackbox that is in airplanes? It is an investigatory tool that will collect data and only be used when something goes terribly wrong.
If the public knew that these things were in their cars it might inhibit a certain percentage of them from driving like maniacs and actually reduce insurance premiums. But it won't. :^(
27 posted on 06/29/2003 11:05:29 AM PDT by thegreatbeast (Quid lucrum istic mihi est?)
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To: gcruse
Ditto.
28 posted on 06/29/2003 11:06:04 AM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace ((the original))
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To: bluesagewoman
It would have been nice to have had proof when I was hurt in an accident and the other car was speeding.

I'm sorry you were hurt and have trouble making the person at fault pay. Technology can be good for people who use it for good and bad in the wrong hands.
29 posted on 06/29/2003 11:07:39 AM PDT by microgood (They will all die......most of them.)
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To: zebra 2
It is safe to conclude that the essential information-gathering capability described in this article is included in all cars manufactured 1996 and later as an integral part of the OBDII (On-Board Diagnostic system 2nd generation); much of it can be read by your dealer's mechanics and many independent shops with the right equipment.
30 posted on 06/29/2003 11:08:46 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Abogado
EMP (Electrical Magnetic Pulse) :)

I think there's a movie or book about something like that. After a nuclear war, people go out killing each other for pre-fuel injection era cars that don't need complex electronics.
31 posted on 06/29/2003 11:21:57 AM PDT by July 4th
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To: thegreatbeast
See post #26. The data from these recorders will evolve into routine use IMHO, not just if there is an accident.
32 posted on 06/29/2003 11:28:17 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: microgood
I can just see it now...
"But, your Honor, the insurance company knew how often I was speeding. IMO, they should have sent me a notice in the mail, telling me to change my ways...but, they never did. That is why, your honor, I am suing my insurance company for knowingly allowing me to speed, by continuing to provide me with insurance coverage at the same rate, and failing to inform me of my driving negligence."
33 posted on 06/29/2003 11:28:39 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: July 4th
These devices are fairly simple to fool, however fooling these recorders will reduce vehicle performace.
34 posted on 06/29/2003 11:33:25 AM PDT by Shanty Shaker
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Questions...

Are there states where it illegal to disable these boxes?

Are the vehicles made to be inoperative if these boxes are removed or disbled?

35 posted on 06/29/2003 11:35:22 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: microgood
GM and, more recently, Ford Motor Co. now allow outsiders to access the data by buying a $2,500 reader built by Santa Barbara, Calif.-based Vetronix Corp. The company says its primary customers are accident reconstructionists, law enforcement and insurance companies

Anyone know where the box is at. I may need to make some repairs......

36 posted on 06/29/2003 11:36:51 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Liberals - "The suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked")
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To: DannyTN
For the same reason that the government camera that you don't know about in your bedroom is a violation of your rights. No warrant to collect information on you and no informed consent that they are doing it. It violates the "unreasonable search" clause.

However, given that in an accident there is reasonable search, what's the problem? I agree that the government should not be able to strip the black box out of your car whenever they wish, and they certainly should not be able to monitor the black box data in real time. So, given those constraints what is the problem?

The government cannot tap your phone or read your phone records without a warrant, but once probable cause has been established, they can do those things. This need not be any different. If an accident has occured, then the government and the courts do have a compelling reason to view the black box data to determine who is at fault and why. I suppose you could argue that the government should get a warrant to view the black box data, but I can't see under what grounds such a warrant would not be granted AFTER an accident has occured.

37 posted on 06/29/2003 11:45:13 AM PDT by PMCarey
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To: PMCarey
"The government cannot tap your phone or read your phone records without a warrant, but once probable cause has been established, they can do those things. "

The problem is that the black box is analgous to the Government recording all of your phone conversations without a warrant. And then obtaining a warrant to review the recordings that were made prior to probable cause being established. That is significantly different than starting recording after a warrant is issued.

38 posted on 06/29/2003 12:00:18 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: PMCarey
Is'nt this no different than having the police search your hard drive for illegal arrangements of bits? (Read hate literature or porn or whatever.)

Your hard drive your black box, whats the diff as it's yours and they want it?
39 posted on 06/29/2003 12:09:32 PM PDT by Mark was here
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To: Dan from Michigan
"Anyone know where the box is at. I may need to make some repairs......"

It's located inside the circuitry of your engine's electronic control module. In other words, if the computer senses this data is missing from it's circuits, the engine will not function over it's entire operating range.
40 posted on 06/29/2003 12:10:28 PM PDT by spoiler2
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