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9/11 Repeat Would be Fault of Bush, Congress, GOP Lawmaker Charges (Says Tom Tancredo)
CNSNews.com ^ | June 27, 2003 | Steve Brown

Posted on 06/28/2003 3:51:14 PM PDT by TLBSHOW

9/11 Repeat Would be Fault of Bush, Congress, GOP Lawmaker Charges

By Steve Brown

CNSNews.com Staff Writer

June 27, 2003

(CNSNews.com) - If another terrorist attack is conducted on U.S. soil by illegal aliens, the fault will lie with Congress and the president, one lawmaker asserted Thursday.

"If we have another event, and it's perpetrated by someone coming into this country illegally, and we've done no more to protect our borders and actually enforce our immigration policy...then the blood of the people that are killed will be on our hands and the president's," Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) told CNSNews.com.

Tancredo said he has made the same statement to White House officials. Their response? "They told me never to darken the doorstep of the White House again," Tancredo revealed. "They went ballistic on me.

"They asked: 'How dare you say a thing like that?' I said: 'You tell me who people should blame - the Elks Club? Who's responsible?'" Tancredo recalled asking White House officials.

Tancredo spoke with CNSNews.com on the eve of Thursday's hearing conducted by the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Claims. The hearing focused on the "matricula consular" identification cards issued by the government of Mexico to illegal aliens in the U.S.

Last month, a Treasury Department rule allowing banks to accept the cards took effect, prompting more than 70 banks, including the Bank of America, to begin allowing the illegals to open accounts and conduct financial transactions.

"At a time when the federal government is taking monumental steps to track the entry and exit of foreigners, to find deportable aliens who have fled authorities and regain some sense of control of our borders, the [Treasury Department] has caved in to the banking lobby and thrown public safety out the window," Dan Stein, executive director of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, said in a release.

In press reports, Edgardo Flores Riva, the Mexican general consul, recounted how a Mexican national living in Washington, D.C., had stored $10,000 - all of his savings - in his bedroom. According to Flores Riva, a house fire destroyed all of the money.

"It sounds very basic, but if you cannot prove your identity, there are many important things you simply cannot do," Flores Riva told the Washington Times.

The cards have already been accepted as legitimate identification by more than 800 police departments in 13 states. More than 400 local governments also now accept the cards as proper identification for a variety of functions. Montgomery County, Md., began accepting the cards in May.

"The county is in this position because these people are residents, and a local government must deal with them, as they have an effect on our community," Elizabeth Davidson, director for the Montgomery County Department of Housing and Community Affairs, testified Thursday. "We do not have a role in immigration, but we do have a role in public safety, public health, education and other basic local services."

But critics argue that the cards provide de facto amnesty and encourage immigrants to continue breaking immigration law. More importantly, they argue, the cards violate the USA PATRIOT Act and pose a serious national security threat.

Tancredo described an instance where an individual in his home state was arrested with seven of the cards, each bearing a different name. Colorado subsequently became the first state to enact legislation banning their acceptance. Tancredo recently introduced federal legislation, H.R. 502, to ban acceptance of the cards nationwide.

Stewart Verdery, an assistant secretary with the Border and Transportation Security Directorate of the Department of Homeland Security, said an inter-agency process led by the Homeland Security Council was developing a comprehensive government policy on foreign consular identification cards.

"The inter-agency group is also specifically examining counterfeit and fraud concerns with the Mexican consular identification cards," Verdery said. "However, given the increase in the volume of requests for these cards in the past year and in light of the heightened security concerns in the post-9/11 environment, we are concerned about the acceptance of these cards."

Yet Roberta Jacobsen, acting deputy assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, expressed concern that limiting acceptance of the cards might prompt the same treatment of U.S. citizens abroad.

"Should a foreign country decide to limit acceptance of such documentation or other traditional documentation, such as state-issued identifications or driver's licenses, the actions of American citizens abroad could be seriously restricted," Jacobsen said Thursday.

Steve McCraw, an official with the FBI Office of Intelligence, said both the FBI and the Justice Department have concluded that the cards are not reliable forms of identification "due to the non-existence of any means of verifying the true identity of the cardholder." He described how "at least one individual of Middle Eastern descent" had been arrested recently in possession of a Mexican ID card.

"The ability of foreign nationals to use the matricula consular to create a well-documented but fictitious identity in the United States provides an opportunity for terrorists to move freely without triggering name-based watch lists that are disseminated to local police officers. It allows them to board planes without revealing their true identity. All of these threats are in addition to the transfer of terrorist funds," McCraw said.

Mark Krikorian, executive director at the Center for Immigration Studies, said the testimony from the various federal agencies underscores a rift within the administration over the cards and immigration policy in general.

"There seems to be a tug-of-war within the administration, with the Justice Department and Homeland Security generally being in favor of muscular immigration enforcement, whereas...the Treasury Department and State Department are in favor of the status quo - an immigration policy that looks tough to satisfy public concerns but is never implemented," Krikorian told CNSNews.com.

He explained that the failure to reach an immigration policy consensus "leaves the administration in a position where it cannot do controversial or difficult things."

Tancredo detailed the big problems confronting immigration policy and enforcement reform.

"One: Democrats see massive immigration into this country - both legal and illegal - as a source of potential supporters. Two: Republicans see that same phenomenon as a source of cheap labor, and of course, the president, who wants to make a wedge issue out of it in the next election," Tancredo explained. "Those three forces combined make it damn near impossible to do anything about immigration reform."

Tancredo predicted that neither his bill nor any meaningful immigration reform would be passed anytime soon. "If you think that a third-term congressman can do much about that, explain to me how, and I'll be happy to try."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 911; bush; congress; deport; gop; lawmaker; tomtancredo
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To: Crusader21stCentury
"President Bush is failing in his duties to defend the Nation. If he continues doing absolutely nothing about the Border I will not vote for him or for Nancy Johnson in 2004."

Perhaps, but that doesn't refute what I said. I think Bush has done more than any other President since Reagan to defend this country. Tell me that's not true.
21 posted on 06/28/2003 7:57:22 PM PDT by Those_Crazy_Liberals (Ronaldus Magnus he's our man . . . If he can't do it, no one can.)
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To: xrp
"Ah, you must be a RINO."

Nope. Just paraphasing what the congressman himself said.
22 posted on 06/28/2003 7:58:15 PM PDT by Those_Crazy_Liberals (Ronaldus Magnus he's our man . . . If he can't do it, no one can.)
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To: CyberAnt
"He has some good points about immigration - but he's going about it all wrong."

Agreed. Its amazing someone like this guy could get elected to Congress yet fail to understand the elementary concept that you get more done pissing inside the tent than you do doing it from the outside.
23 posted on 06/28/2003 7:59:24 PM PDT by Those_Crazy_Liberals (Ronaldus Magnus he's our man . . . If he can't do it, no one can.)
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To: Those_Crazy_Liberals
And ... aside from that ... they want instant results. The problem with that is the Bush admin had a list of items to work on - immigration was just not one of them.

While I agree that immigation is a total mess and endangers our security - what it's going to take is a NEW LEADER for the INS - someone like Rudy - someone who knows how to clean up messes - someone who will rule with an iron thumb - while he's smiling!
24 posted on 06/28/2003 8:22:32 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: TLBSHOW
"They asked: 'How dare you say a thing like that?' I said: 'You tell me who people should blame - the Elks Club? Who's responsible?'" Tancredo recalled asking White House officials.

That's right! Who in Sam Hell is responsible for this attack on our borders and sovererignty? Look no further than those that have occupied the White House, the Senate, Congress and the entire Federal Government.

They are guilty, and directly responsible for the invasion of millions of illegals and should be held responsible. Not only has our borders become a national disgrace, they now are a total, national security nightmare.

25 posted on 06/28/2003 8:33:41 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: TLBSHOW
As far as I'm concerned, using a matricula as ID is positive proof that the person is an illegal alien. They should be instantly deported. No hearings, no time to clear up personal affairs. Just stuffed on the bus and then stuffed back over the damn border.
26 posted on 06/28/2003 8:42:12 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I would prefer sentencing them to a period of time constructing a wall along the border - then catapult them over.
27 posted on 06/28/2003 8:45:44 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
Tancredo said he has made the same statement to White House officials. Their response? "They told me never to darken the doorstep of the White House again," Tancredo revealed. "They went ballistic on me.

He told them the White House and the entire Federal Government is in violation of their duties and sworn constitutional responsibility. They didn't like that.

If the people that occupy the White House cannot, or will not, protect our borders and our sovereignty, they should leave the White House, never to darken it's interior again!

In the coming months and in the next year or so, this ever escalating, immigration crisis, and this continiued, epic invasion of millions of illegal aliens will become a blow torch issue for Americans all across this nation.

The day of the corrupt politicos, standing, winking and nodding as our borders are under total attack, and our sovereignty is incrementally destroyed, are coming to an end.

Bet the rent.

28 posted on 06/28/2003 8:48:31 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (RECALL DAVIS, position his smoking chair over a trapdoor, a memo for the next governor.)
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To: TLBSHOW
Tancredo is right..

Anyone who would trade real security for National Guardsmen with empty rifles.. stationed at the luggage checkpoints, no less.. shouldn't be very surprised if something happens and Americans point the finger right at him.

29 posted on 06/28/2003 8:48:38 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: lelio
"Should a foreign country decide to limit acceptance of such documentation or other traditional documentation, such as state-issued identifications or driver's licenses, the actions of American citizens abroad could be seriously restricted," Jacobsen said Thursday.

This statement is bogus and Jacobsen is totally clueless. You'll still need a passport, usually a visa, sometimes shot records, and you can bet on needing an International Driver's License in most countries. This does not include the host of other bureaucratic and diplomatic requirements if you're going overseas on business.

30 posted on 06/28/2003 8:52:34 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: sarcasm
I'm still working on that catapult design.
31 posted on 06/28/2003 8:54:50 PM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha!)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Jacobsen should talk to the FBI:

Mexican ID not valid, a 'threat,' FBI says

32 posted on 06/28/2003 9:00:36 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: TLBSHOW
Yet Roberta Jacobsen, acting deputy assistant secretary of state for the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs, expressed concern that limiting acceptance of the cards might prompt the same treatment of U.S. citizens abroad.

"Should a foreign country decide to limit acceptance of such documentation or other traditional documentation, such as state-issued identifications or driver's licenses, the actions of American citizens abroad could be seriously restricted," Jacobsen said Thursday.

B.S. Ms. Jacobsen. Americans overseas generally use their passports to establish identity, just like all short term legal tourists and business visitors do from all countries everywhere. And if they're overseas on a long term basis, Americans use identity documents issued by the host country.

An American in Italy for three weeks vacation uses his U.S. passport for ID. A U.S. state driver's license would only be used for the express purpose of operating a car (if that country allows it without an international DL). If he's there three years as a student or legal immigrant he has his Italian immigration card showing his legal status, and likely has an Italian driver’s license too. No way in hell does he ever have some Mickey Mouse "consular card" from the U.S. Embassy in Rome, or Consulate in Milan.

Why? Because there's no such thing! The U.S. doesn't issue "consular IDs" to Americans overseas. They used to, but stopped about 10 years ago because they served almost no legal purpose and because nobody wanted them. If an American overseas needs an US document from a US embassy, it's going to be a passport

Which brings us back to the Mexicans. Why don't they just get Passports? Mexican consulates issue passports. So why not a passport? Well Mexican passports lose out to matricula cards for a couple resons beyond the fact they're cheaper and fit better in a wallet:

First, passports, even Mexican, are supposed to be reasonably secure documents. Go to any Mexican consulate website and compare the requirements for a passport vs. a matricula card. There's a real difference. More documentation and supporting ID needed for the passport.

Second, and most importantly, passports are travel documents. There are pages for entry and exit stamps, and pages for visas, pages for deportation order stamps - in other words a passport is distilled evidence of a persons compliance or noncompliance with immigration law, about the last thing an illegal alien wants to wave around.

33 posted on 06/28/2003 9:11:07 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Proud Hispanic African-American Gay Muslim since June 23, 2003)
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To: TLBSHOW
"One: Democrats see massive immigration into this country - both legal and illegal - as a source of potential supporters. Two: Republicans see that same phenomenon as a source of cheap labor, and of course, the president, who wants to make a wedge issue out of it in the next election," Tancredo explained. "Those three forces combined make it damn near impossible to do anything about immigration reform."

But but but wait, President Bush is a conservative.......as are most republicans........right???????? (snicker).

Seriously, that's the best short and sweet explanation for the immigration "policy" I've seen. Sad but very true.

34 posted on 06/28/2003 9:11:11 PM PDT by Dazedcat
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To: TLBSHOW
Last month, a Treasury Department rule allowing banks to accept the cards took effect, prompting more than 70 banks, including the Bank of America, to begin allowing the illegals to open accounts and conduct financial transactions.

They've been opening accounts with matriculas for over a year, even before there was a rule. The banks had Treasury's blessing back then, obviously.

35 posted on 06/28/2003 9:15:58 PM PDT by Pa' fuera
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To: TLBSHOW
If another terrorist attack is conducted on U.S. soil by illegal aliens, the fault will lie with Congress and the president,

I'd change that to: "If there's an attack by aliens, legal or illegal, from muslim countries..."

Seriously, what's so urgent about bringing in 50-80,000 additional Pakistanis, Egyptians, etc every year. Why are we doing it?

36 posted on 06/28/2003 9:20:19 PM PDT by dagnabbit (Proud Hispanic African-American Gay Muslim since June 23, 2003)
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To: TLBSHOW
Note to Congressman Tom Tancredo: Announce your candidacy for President Monday morning!! Run on this platform of sealing the border from illegal entry. This National Security issue CAN NOT be ignored. Current border patrol operations are a total joke, the revolving door turns faster than the turnstyles as fans leave the Texas Rangers games in the 6th inning!! (hopeless cause!)
An open, declared challange to the President on this issue is the only way to bring this issue the attention it deserves. Politicians on both sides are afraid to touch it for fear of being labelled anti-Hispanic - but most Hispanics I know ( I live in Texas) don't like the idea of illegal immigration any more than other lawfull residents as they either were born here or emmigrated legally.
And securing the borders against terrorists is a safety issue affecting their families, too!
The President could not get up and say that the current system regarding "protecting our country's borders" is adequate - the guffaws could be heard all the way to Tampico, and I'm not talking about Ronald Regans birthplace, either!
He would then have to propose, or implement measures to tighten the borders (I'd rather see the Military here than in Bosnia!) Granted these measures would be less than ideal, but a step in the right direction is better than no step at all!
Let's hope Congressman Tancredo isn't proven right - for all our sakes, but we must be prepared - and the current system leaves us all too vulnerable, indeed.
37 posted on 06/28/2003 9:36:53 PM PDT by Froggie
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To: TLBSHOW
I think I, it is just me mind you, But I would most likely blame the wacco that did it. But as all of you know it is in fact the Blame America first rage!!!!! All the kids are doing it.
38 posted on 06/28/2003 9:50:31 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: TLBSHOW
the Border is a important issue

I agree that the borders are an important issue that needs to be address ..

But Tancredo seems to be using 9/11 to push his illegal mexican line.

If Tancredo was really concerned about another 9/11 .. he would address all of our borders .. He doesn't do that

39 posted on 06/28/2003 9:57:01 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: TLBSHOW
It's impossible to completly seal the US border in the North and South.

It would take over 1 Million troops and over $500 Billion Dollars.

I bet everyone who is for sealing the borders 100% would be bitching at the cost.

The answer is a legal worker program that fills the void the illegals currently fill ! Make them pay taxes and require the employer to provide health care.

40 posted on 06/28/2003 9:58:11 PM PDT by america-rules (I'm one proud American right now !)
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