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To: NittanyLion
those that claim this opens the door to same-sex marriage, incest and bestiality are completely wrong in my estimation.
From Scalia's dissent to Lawrence...

A preliminary digressive observation with regard to the first factor: The Court's claim that Planned Parenthood v. Casey, supra, "casts some doubt" upon the holding in Bowers (or any other case, for that matter) does not withstand analysis. Ante, at 10. As far as its holding is concerned, Casey provided a less expansive right to abortion than did Roe, which was already on the books when Bowers was decided. And if the Court is referring not to the holding of Casey, but to the dictum of its famed sweet-mystery-of-life passage, ante, at 13 (" 'At the heart of liberty is the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life' "): That "casts some doubt" upon either the totality of our jurisprudence or else (presumably the right answer) nothing at all. I have never heard of a law that attempted to restrict one's "right to define" certain concepts; and if the passage calls into question the government's power to regulate actions based on one's self-defined "concept of existence, etc.," it is the passage that ate the rule of law.

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I turn now to the ground on which the Court squarely rests its holding: the contention that there is no rational basis for the law here under attack. This proposition is so out of accord with our jurisprudence--indeed, with the jurisprudence of any society we know--that it requires little discussion.      

The Texas statute undeniably seeks to further the belief of its citizens that certain forms of sexual behavior are "immoral and unacceptable," Bowers, supra, at 196--the same interest furthered by criminal laws against fornication, bigamy, adultery, adult incest, bestiality, and obscenity. Bowers held that this was a legitimate state interest. The Court today reaches the opposite conclusion. The Texas statute, it says, "furthers no legitimate state interest which can justify its intrusion into the personal and private life of the individual," ante, at 18 (emphasis addded). The Court embraces instead Justice Stevens' declaration in his Bowers dissent, that "the fact that the governing majority in a State has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law prohibiting the practice," ante, at 17. This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation. If, as the Court asserts, the promotion of majoritarian sexual morality is not even a legitimate state interest, none of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review.

With the precedents now established by Lawrence, and a SCOTUS feeling free to to pluck rationalizations from the swirling ether that is the "the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life," it's hard to see how the legal door that's long been closed to same-sex marriage and any other traditionally immoral form of sexual expressionbetween adults isn't blown off its hinges and carried away in the cyclone.


301 posted on 06/29/2003 12:29:48 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
With the precedents now established by Lawrence, and a SCOTUS feeling free to to pluck rationalizations from the swirling ether that is the "the right to define one's own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life," it's hard to see how the legal door that's long been closed to same-sex marriage and any other traditionally immoral form of sexual expression between adults isn't blown off its hinges and carried away in the cyclone.

That would still have no basis in Lawrence, but rather on whatever rationale those hypothetical justices would apply. If your scenario comes to pass, then those justices would rule in favor of same-sex marriage whether or not Lawrence existed.

The fact of the matter is that same-sex marriage will come in one of two ways [assuming it comes via the SCOTUS]: (1) as an Equal Protection judgment; (2) as a Full Faith & Credit judgment (assuming at least one state legalizes, first). Most likely the latter. Lawrence did neither, nor did Lawrence provide a precedent to either, nor was Lawrence any sort of necessary prelude to same-sex marriage...

304 posted on 06/29/2003 12:38:02 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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