Is Lawrence Worse Than Roe?

CRISIS Magazine - e-Letter ^ | 6/27/03 | Deal Hudson

[Polycarp]

You're distorted.

Nope. I know parents who have had teenage daughters who were raped. I know women who were raped as teens. I know parents who had teenage sons homosexually molested, I know men who were homosexually molested as teenage boys.

I'm not distorted. I know exactly what I'm talking about. You are simply ignorant of the differences which I know and have seen firsthand.

[Sabertooth]

There used to be anti-sodomy laws in all 50 states. One by one as they were repealed, did we see people going down that slippery slope, asserting their right to sleep with goats?

Yes, absolutely, without question, bestiality proponents have gotten extremely bold. Do a Google search on barnyard sex, and you'll get over 39,000 results.

The judges who will rule in favor of the unenumerated right of bestiality will be former students of Harvard Law Professor and animal rights theorist Peter Singer.

[tdadams]

Get real. You think Lawrence eroded states rights but Roe didn't? There goes any favorable estimation of your analytical skills.

[aristeides]

Of the eleven states to abolish their anti-sodomy laws in the wake of Bowers, ten did so by ruling of the state court.

Meaning that the "emerging awareness" is basically just that of the law school culture. And opinion in that milieu was enough to invalidate state law this past week, the same week when O'Connor used the fact that the leading law schools spawn our ruling class as justification for racial discrimination in choosing who goes there.

The power grab is becoming more and more undisguised.

[tdadams]

Change your reasoning if you have to, but you were wrong. They weren't repealed as they were enacted, by the legislature.

[codercpc]

Yesterday, in Limon, the Supreme Court vacated the sentence of someone who had homosexually molested a 14-year-old boy, on the basis of Lawrence.

I don't know the whole story, but from what I understand is the the 18 year old who molested a 14 year old will not get off scott free. What they said was that the 18 year old should have been prosecuted the same as he would have been had the minor been a female. They didn't overturn his crime, only the sentence because it was different than it would have been under the "statutory rape" law.

[Sabertooth]

Well then: Don't you amoral, corn-holers have something better to do than use the power of the federal government to force your perversions upon other peoples communities?

No fair mentioning their tyrannical power-grab.

[Jhoffa_]

Homosexual incest is the probable door through which a general right to incest is discovered. What is the compelling state interest in prohibiting sodomy between two adult brothers, or sisters?

There's obviously nothing to keep the SC from effectively legalizing incest, bestality, or basically whatever sexual perversion they wish at this point..

If you toss out the Tenth, the the power of the fed is completely unchecked in this area.

[tdadams]

You seem to think your opinion on such matters is unquestionably universal. You don't think that's a bit arrogant?

[Polycarp]

Get real. You think Lawrence eroded states rights but Roe didn't? There goes any favorable estimation of your analytical skills.

Get real, you libertarian fool, I think they both did. But they both grew out of Griswold. Why don't you tell me about Griswold V Connecticut (without looking it up). If you know nothing about Griswold, you are not qualified to judge my opinion. And I'm certain you knew nothing about Griswold prior to today.

[AndyJackson]

It IS worse than heterosexual rape

Not being female, I think that neither you nor I are in a position to judge. Of all of the horrors of homosexual molestation, however, one consequence is that you or I or society are not potontially burdened by the cost of raising an unwanted child. Otherwise, I would think the horrors are pretty much the same unless you subscribe to the theory that women find rape ejoyable, which by all accounts they do not.

[tdadams]

The fact that we now have the internet and such phenomenon are more easily accesible and visible does not indicate an increased prevalence. But arguing so just might convince the gullible.

[Polycarp]

Otherwise, I would think the horrors are pretty much the same

You would be wrong.

[Jhoffa_]

Change your reasoning if you have to, but you were wrong. They weren't repealed as they were enacted, by the legislature.

You don't know what you're talking about.. Some were overturned, but the majority of State Sodomy laws were Repealed.

United States Anti-"Sodomy" Laws

Further, even if, for the sake of argument, they were ALL overturned at the State level.. It does nothing to justify this Unconstitutional intrusion by the FED.

This is quite simply a States issue from beginning to end.

[tdadams]

Meaning that the "emerging awareness" is basically just that of the law school culture.

I see you've embraced Justice Scalia's dissent with all the credulity of granny watching her televangelists.

[jwalsh07]

Yes, the yahoos and pinheads were elected by mostly yahoos and pinheads. And yes, that is what I don't like about them. That even the most illiterate wino can have a say, however small, in making laws for other people, is apparently what conservatives think is great about America.

Libertarian totalitarianism in all it's splendor. There are plenty of other adjectives to apply but I'll resist them.

You Mr Libertarian wouldn't know freedom if it bit you on your ass.

[tdadams]

Not only that but they were completely silent about why Lawrence v. Texas should have any influence in this case. They simply said "in light of Lawrence v. Texas" without elaboration.

[Jhoffa_]

You Mr Libertarian wouldn't know freedom if it bit you on your ass.

It has taken every last fiber of my being to not elaborate on this comment..

[jpsb]

It appears that the SC can do any damn thing they want to. It appears that the SC is now the Supreme ruler of America. It appears the SC doesn't give a damn about what the other two branches of government think.

[aristeides]

I happen to be a graduate of Yale Law School. I'm quite familiar with the law school culture.