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US at Very Bottom in Vacation Days
ABC News ^ | June 25, 2003 | Catherine Valenti - ABC News

Posted on 06/28/2003 1:31:11 AM PDT by txzman

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To: txzman
Over the past 7 years, i've been taking my vacations in one to three day increments, making for long holiday weekends several times a year instead of just one long vacation.

But, that will change this year. I'm headed to the coast for 10 days of fishing and sleeping on the beach. No phone, just the wind, waves and sand.
41 posted on 06/28/2003 7:56:24 AM PDT by Rebelbase (........The bartender yells, "hey get out of here, we don't serve breakfast!")
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To: this_ol_patriot
"Welcome to the real world Jack"

My exact words to my 16 year old who started working his first job this week, followed by "Welcome to the first day of the rest of your life".
42 posted on 06/28/2003 8:02:43 AM PDT by Rebelbase (........The bartender yells, "hey get out of here, we don't serve breakfast!")
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To: txzman
What a bunch of whiners. Most workers in the US have a reasonable vacation opportunity.

Try finding someone in Europe who is NOT on vacation for the month of August. It's a pain to try to work with European entities in August.

There is a reason the United States is the dominant country in the world!
44 posted on 06/28/2003 8:47:00 AM PDT by FreeKnight (Strength and Honor)
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To: txzman
I rarely use all my vacation time.
45 posted on 06/28/2003 8:49:32 AM PDT by gitmo (What's in the Constitution isn't. And vice-versa.)
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To: txzman
This is nuts! Two weeks is more than enough, I've never even taken my full two weeks. If you don't like what you do then go get a job where you DO like what you do.
46 posted on 06/28/2003 9:04:10 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: txzman
Whoa! They miscounted. What about those who are unemployed - FORCED VACATION? How does the U.S. stack up against those who have freedom to schedule vacation while EMPLOYED?
47 posted on 06/28/2003 9:13:12 AM PDT by nmh
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To: TracyPA
My niece moved to Ireland about 6 years ago. She had a hard time adjusting to their work ethic. Lunch time was two hours at the Pub.

Oh, man, I'd have a real hard time adjusting to that! Grueling I tell ya.

48 posted on 06/28/2003 9:18:10 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: this_old_man_101
Hey, if you dislike working so much, move to Ireland. American workers actually LIKE working, that's why we're happier. They did an study and found that most europeans were depressed and unhappy, while Americans were upbeat and optimistic. It's not the vacation days you get, it what you do and what your attitude is about what you do.

If you feel non-productive, look into a new career, go back to school and try something different.

49 posted on 06/28/2003 9:20:29 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: this_old_man_101
It's called working your way up the ladder. Yup, most of us started out with very few vacation days. We worked our way up the ladder and earned more, we didn't whine our way into them.

Vacation days are are part of a company's benefit package. Good companies hire the best workers and offer good benefits. Poor ones offer poor benefits. Work hard, do a good job and rewards follow.

The last time Mr. FourPeas changed jobs, he negotiated for four weeks of vacation. Yes, negotiated. His services were needed and his employer was willing to compensate him for his value. That's exactly the way it's supposed to work.

50 posted on 06/28/2003 9:27:11 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: txzman
Several thoughts:

To get a true comparison between countries, you also need to factor in official holidays. We have quite a few in the US, a few more than most other countries. And we contrive to make as many as possible 3-day weekends. We probably do tend to get more long weekends in the US than in many other countries, which tend to take their holiday in one big chunk. I'm not sure but what shorter, more frequent breaks might actually do more good for body & soul with less pile-up and mess back at the office.

Tourism is a major industry in the US, and it would definitely benefit from an increase in vacation days.

There is much to be said for companies and institutions requiring anyone in a position of authority to get out of the office for at least an entire two-week annual time block. It frequently happens that those with something to cover up do so by never, ever going on vacation.

52 posted on 06/28/2003 9:46:47 AM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Prodigal Son
no man has a right to a job in the first place

You have a harsh attitude to those who work and I'll bet you are even harsher on those who don't work.

I am also partially self-employed. My vaction choices or lack thereof are mine. When I chose to trade vacation for work, I am the direct beneficiary and it is a rational and voluntary choice.

53 posted on 06/28/2003 9:57:43 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson
You have a harsh attitude

For what? Saying no man has a right to a job? It's the simple truth. Got nothing to do with harshness. It's no different than saying "the sun comes up in the east". It's just a fact. Saying "a man is entitled to employment" is no different than saying "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". No different. People aren't entitled to most of the things the liberals have told them they are. You aren't entitled to be employed. You aren't entitled to a minimum wage. You are entitled to a living wage. You aren't entitled to health care. You aren't entitled to shelter, food, clothing.

Freedom is a harsh concept perhaps. Too harsh for most, I expect.

I simply object to anybody who calls himself an American even toying with the idea that the government ought to make a law governing minimum vacation days. What's the problem?

I'll bet you are even harsher on those who don't work.

Why would you think that? I personally don't care if people have employment or not. As long as they don't whine to the gov't to "entitle" them to some of my property- they can do what they want. Why should I care? You don't want to work, don't work- simple as that. What you eat, where you stay- your problem.

You have a harsh attitude to those who work

I work. My wife works. All my friends work. Bill Gates works. I like me. I like my wife. I like my friends. I like Bill Gates. I like people that work- admire them as a matter of fact. I'm not sure I understand this criticism.

54 posted on 06/28/2003 10:40:07 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
You are entitled to a living wage

D'oh! obviously, a mistake on my part. That should definitely read:

You are not entitled to a living wage

55 posted on 06/28/2003 10:41:57 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: this_old_man_101
And Ireland has free health care

No it doesn't. There is no such thing as free health care. Doesn't exist.

56 posted on 06/28/2003 10:46:07 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
If I believed in rationality, I would get confused at some vacation policies in the US. You pound a guy for 70 hours a week for 6 months straight. Give him 2 days off, while he is supposed to be attached to his cell phone, lap top, and a fax machine. I don't think in the end it will increase productivity.

Kind of like the Laffer Curve, there has to be a productivity curve. If you work zero hours a year, your productivity is zero. If you "work" 365 days a year for 24 hours, your productivity is zero because you will be in an insane asylum. The magic is finding the right number. How hard can you work, until your productivity declines?

We need to take play as seriously as work. The problem as I see it, and as others have mentioned is that many people don't really get a true vacation. A true vacation means no umbillical cord to the office. You are a free agent, free to take a holiday from work. I would suspect that the days a worker needs for vacation to be productive, would actually drop if middle management types actually allowed people to not do paperwork and return phone calls, while they are enjoying their holiday time.

57 posted on 06/28/2003 10:55:13 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: txzman
He only gets five paid vacation days a year. Mortellaro's company, which he declined to name, grants five vacation days to its employees after they've been working at the job more than six months. A year later, they get a total of 10 vacation days.

Sounds like he gets 10 days a year, not five. Many companies give 5 days after six months. That's half a year. Thus 10 days a year. Reporter is apparently on vacation and too lazy to check facts.

Lost in all of this is that most people get weekends off which amounts to 104 days per year. Even those who have jobs that involve working weekends usually get a couple of days off during the week. I remember working at the airport and getting Tuesdays and Wednesdays off for my "weekend."

As well, most companies give 13 paid holidays a year. So take the weekends (104) plus holidays (13) plus vacation (10) and you end up with 127 days a year off - or over 1/3 of the year.

Then you have people who take "sick days" but that's another issue entirely.

58 posted on 06/28/2003 10:56:09 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (Back in boot camp! 260 (-40))
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To: Jhoffa_
"Not after the prescription drug circus, anyway."

I take it you voted for the Libertarian candidate in 2000? After all Bush talked about this drug plan when he was running, so this isn't a surprise.

59 posted on 06/28/2003 11:20:04 AM PDT by MEGoody
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To: SamAdams76
Lost in all of this is that most people get weekends off which amounts to 104 days per year.

I don't believe that many people, if any, are paid for their weekend offtime.

60 posted on 06/28/2003 11:30:09 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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