Israeli sources: IDF pullout in Gaza could begin Monday [Here we go again...]

Haaretz ^ | 27/06/2003 22:06 | Aluf Benn, Amos Harel, Nathan Guttman and Arnon Regular

[yonif]

Who is Dahlan you ask?

Delusions about the Palestinian 'security ace'--The evidence against Dahlan is compelling

CIA recorded Dahlan ordering fatal bus attack - Likud of Holland (Arutz 7 Article here)

ZOA Backgrounder on Dahlan

4. MOHAMMED DAHLAN Dahlan, 41, is chief of the Palestinian Security Forces in Gaza. He spent four years in Israeli prison for terrorist activities, and was a commander of operations for Arafat's Fatah terror group during the mass "intifada" violence that began in 1987. According to the Israeli government, Dahlan is one of the primary directors of the current terrorist violence against Israelis in the Gaza region.

Masterminded bombing of Israeli bus: Israel Radio reported on October 20, 2000, that "Dahlan was behind the October 18 bombing of an Israeli bus in Gush Katif." The Israeli daily Ha'aretz reported on November 16, 2000, that "members of the Preventive Security Force in Gaza, headed by Mohammed Dahlan, were involved in a series of attacks on Israelis in Gush Katif and Netzarim." Ha'aretz reported on April 17, 2001, that Yasir Arafat "takes an active part in decisions regarding the firing of mortars. The general directives in this regard are passed to Mohammed Dahlan, and from Dahlan to his deputy, Rashid Abu Shabak."

Ordered rocket attack on an Israeli bus: Dahlan is currently a defendant in a lawsuit filed by victims Arab terrorism, including an American citizen as well as three children whose legs were blown off in a Dahlan-directed rocket attack on a bus on November 20, 2000. The Israeli daily Hatzofeh has reported (April 13, 2001) that the Central Intelligence Agency has tape recordings of telephone conversations in which Dahlan can be heard ordering the November 20 rocket attack and other terrorist attacks against Israelis.

Shelters Hamas terrorists: Dahlan told the PA-sponsored newspaper Al Ayam on Oct.26, 1998 that terrorist groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad "will not be outlawed."

Hired Hamas terrorists: Dahlan said in an interview with the PA newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadidah on Sept.24, 1998, that 25 more Hamas terrorists have been hired by his force, specifically in order to protect them from being arrested by the Israelis.

Praised Hamas terrorists: In an interview with the Hamas newspaper Al-Risallah (cited in Ha'aretz, June 15, 1997), Dahlan said: "The presence of Hamas on Palestinian territory is very important for building the Palestinian homeland."

Threatened violence against Israel: On August 30, 1996, Dahlan said: "The Palestinian Authority does not exclude the return to the armed struggle, and it will then use its weapons." (Jerusalem Report, Nov. 28, 1996)

[yonif]

Well folks...it has begun it seems.

[SevenDaysInMay]

Politicians gone wobbly are responsible for more deaths than combat. Busses, cafes, and schools will always be free fire and detonation zones because of LACK OF WILL TO DEFEND ISRAEL.

Cease fires allow reinforcement to terrorists. Do Jews actually have a death wish?

The IDF owes it to every harmless Israeli man, woman, and child to annihilate every perp and accompolice of HAMASS and aliased terrorist in Greater Israel and beyond.

Celebrating Arab "human shields" are not collateral damage.

HAMASS' success will ensure that this war is coming to our streets.

[johnb838]

You're right. Like Hamas would ever agree to any deal that calls for its destruction. The whole thing is lunacy. Israeli women, children, and men dying on busses for some pipe-dream peace 'process' is abhorrent. Only victory in war justifies these innocent civilian deaths. I only wish Israel was as strong in defending themselves as I have been in my support for them all my life.

[DoughtyOne]

Yonif, with the whole world watching, Israel is going to allow the Palestinians to out themselves one last time. Then it's going to mope up the West Bank but good!

I predict there will be more violence in the next twenty-four months than we have seen in the last two decades.

[SJackson]

France, however, is still opposed, the diplomat said, arguing that such a move would sabotage efforts to restart the Mideast peace process, as Hamas's political wing is a "popular movement" that reflects the goals and aspirations of many Palestinians.

Yup, killing Jews, apparently an acceptable aspiration from the French persepctive.

[yonif]

"And I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee." (Genesis 12:3)

G-d warns America and all other nations that they must support little Israel's noble struggle to survive. Bush's Middle East "road map" demands that Israel retreat to the completely suicidal pre-1967 borders, which are only 6 to 10 miles wide.

Jewish Task Force

[yonif]

Yonif, with the whole world watching, Israel is going to allow the Palestinians to out themselves one last time. Then it's going to mope up the West Bank but good!

The US has Israel under great pressure. The world was watching in Oslo years 1993-2000. These same moves of Oslo and ones that are even worse are being undertaken now. If the world was truly watching, they would be opposed to the roadmap. Yet again, most of the world looks away when Jews are the victims.

[yonif]

France, however, is still opposed, the diplomat said, arguing that such a move would sabotage efforts to restart the Mideast peace process, as Hamas's political wing is a "popular movement" that reflects the goals and aspirations of many Palestinians.

Yup, killing Jews, apparently an acceptable aspiration from the French persepctive.

Yup. This is excellent evidence. The French know that the goals and aspirations of the "Palestinians" are to destroy Israel (as Hamas does), and they support it!

[SJackson]

HAMASS' success will ensure that this war is coming to our streets.

Hamas’s victory is arab terror’s victory. IME, those “arabs from other countries” allied with the remnants of Sadaam supporters confronting our troops in Iraq are listening.

Yonif, with the whole world watching, Israel is going to allow the Palestinians to out themselves one last time.

While you may well be right as to what’s happening, I think the concept of averting our gaze from preventable civilian deaths in an attempt to make a point to a world who, in the end, won’t care, is ethically challenged, at very the least. I fear in the long run Israeli's won't be the only ones to die as a result of this policy.

[DoughtyOne]

I can't argue with that comment.

Yonif you must understand our nation has lost all semblence of moral standards. Our leaders wouldn't recognize an immoral stance if it was posed one inch in front of their nose with mouth open and fangs exposed.

While I do sympathize with you, you must understand that I recognize that my own nation's Constitution has been all but destroyed in part with the support of people I used to support.

If I don't have hope for my own nation, I am in no position to guarantee you much. Don't forget, my nation is under invasion as we speak.

I personally voice support for you and your nation. I mean it, but I'm not sure what it's worth to you other than the encouragement of a friend. Our leaders don't value the opinions of people like me, more than spit.

[nuffsenuff]

What's going to eventually happen is that Israel is going to have to wipe out the majority of the Palestinian people. Basically killing almost all of them. The world will condemn them. The leaders put on trial for war crimes and put in jail. But the problem will be gone.

Some of them are going to have to bite the bullet.

It's the only solution.

[DoughtyOne]

I can't say as I disagree with you. In fact I don't support this peace plan. It's rediculous for Israel to take tangible steps for peace when others can't even swear off violence in perpetuity.

Hamas may or may not stop bombing. There are a number of other groups who won't.

Bush doesn't understand this? Yikes! Rice doesn't understand this? Yikes! And these folks are supposed to be on my side? LMAO

[DoughtyOne]

Rather than kill them, I'd expel them. Then I'd claim the West Bank and Gaza and forget about it. Let the world whine inceasantly forever if they like.

[nuffsenuff]

Expell them where?

No one wants 'em.

[E Rocc]

Jewish Task Force

Victor Vancier's site. A convicted terrorist. The last time he attempted to go to Israel, they detained him at the airport and sent him back here.

It's comprehensive proof that one does not need to be a Muslim to be a stark raving nutbar fanatic. Thanks for posting it. >:)

-Eric

[yonif]

Expell them where?

No one wants 'em.

I would say first of all give money to those Arabs to leave and never return. Secondly, the Arabs there will be the responsibility of the Jordanian government. They would become citizens of Jordan and will be able to stay in Judea Samaria and Gaza. (This plan of course coming after Israel goes after the terrorists, their infrastructure, weapons, etc.)

[DoughtyOne]

I would expel them into western Jordan. Western Jordan isn't heavily populated. Then Jordan and the other middle eastern states can absorb some of them in each nation.

Once that happens, those nations will begin to get religion on the subject as these terrorists go after them for a change.

Jordan already had to expel them once. Nobody wants these people, because they simply refuse to live in peace with 'anyone'. That's the real 'family secret' nobody want's to talk about.

[yonif]

It's comprehensive proof that one does not need to be a Muslim to be a stark raving nutbar fanatic. Thanks for posting it. >:)

For your information, I do not support the JTF, never have and never will. I simply took that off their site to illustrate a point of mine, and listed that link to show what my source was so that I wasn't plagirizing.

Israel is right to combat those extremists.

[EGPWS]

Dahlan said the PA would begin collecting illegal weapons from the various Palestinian factions,

I'm curious as to his definition of "illegal weapons" is.

Weapons that are NOT used? Or weapons used but not used on Israeli's?

How many decades of deception is it going to take before it is understood, for some, that peace is NOT the agenda for these terrorist groups?