Oppie Was A Commie

Accuracy In Media ^ | June 27, 2003 | Notra Trulock

[liberallarry]

Theory of Fielding - Set S - Sudoplatov (Revised)

Here's an intelligent summation (critique) of the charges against Szilard and the others. You probably believe it's basically true. I think it's a crock.

[wardaddy]

I'd rather have my principles than win elections.

Lord...I remember being a college student....you are way ahead of me. I campaigned for Carter sadly, but his pussy-ish performance as President was integral in my transformation. Winning in politics is about compromising principles for the long term strategic goal....but not abandoning them. It's a razor's edge walk to be honest.

[HISSKGB]

The Schechters' research regarding these spies is informative. Combining this with the mountain of other evidence indicates a scandal of huge proportion.

[swarthyguy]

Thanks for the ping.

A sidebar, but it might bear on one question that I think will be one of the great mysteries of the 20th Century.

Why did the USA not take full advantage of her nuclear hegemony and even conventional military superiority in the 1945-1949 period visavis the Soviets?

[timm22]

Actually, the Nazis attacked the East first - as Hitler always wanted to do.

That is correct, but what I meant was that the West was attacked by Germany before it was attacked by the Soviet Union. Therefore the question of who was worse became irrelevant to the West; they had to defend themselves at that point.

The strategy of getting the Russians and Germans to destroy each other was one favored, more or less openly, by the Western democracies. It led directly to the Hitler-Stalin pact. Grading murderous tyrannies as to better or worse is no easy business. But the Nazis were truly horrible.

Agreed, as were the Soviets.

[liberallarry]

the West was attacked by Germany before it was attacked by the Soviet Union

Even this is not right. The West declared war on Germany in response to the latter's attack on Poland.

But I concede that we allied ourselves with the Soviets because Hitler gave us no choice. As to which system was worse, I also concede that both were horrible and we would have chosen to do away with both if that had been possible.

My original complaint was directed to the remark that Communism was clearly worse - which I interpreted, perhaps unfairly, as a criticism of those who hated Hitler.

[exit82]

Whew--glad I wasn't the only one! Thought for a moment Mayberry was a nest of Commie vipers. Next they'll be telling me June Cleaver was a Red spy.

You will now be returned to your regular Freep programming....

[liberallarry]

As I said I don't understand why scientists thought sharing nuclear secrets with the Russians would improve chances for world peace.

I thought the key might lie with Bertrand Russell. He knew, first hand, the faults of the Soviet - not just Stalinist - system. He was a great mathematician and logician, a great writer, and politcally active.

I'm just beginning to work on it but here's an article I found

Bertrand Russell: Prophet of the New World Order

Clearly the situation is much more complex than I thought. Russell's views seem to have been quite different from Szilard's at the conclusion of WWII. Those of other, less political scientists, may prove quite difficult to obtain.

[SauronOfMordor]

Einstein was pro-socialist, but with reservations. It turns out his reservations were correct

From FBI FOIA

Albert Einstein -- 1,427 pages

An investigation was conducted by the FBI regarding the famous physicist because of his affiliation with the Communist Party. Einstein was a member, sponsor, or affiliated with thirty-four communist fronts between 1937-1954. He also served as honorary chairman for three communist organizations.

Einstein also had a Communist agent as mistress

[liberallarry]

CHAPTER 8: WORLD-HISTORIC CONSCIOUSNESS VS. SECTARIANISM

Here's the way Russell looks to idiotic ideologs of the Left. I post this because it's so frightening.

[liberallarry]

Bertrand Russell: A Passionate Rationalist

A more sympathetic view of the man. Whatever else might be said about him, he was noone's fool.

[Freedom4US]

I kind of like Ron Howard. He directed one of the 'back to mayberry' shows, and in the show they had the Darlins bluegrass band back on, of course. It was done real well, without making them look like a bunch of okie hillbillies, something that is (usually) never done when produced/directed by others.

[liberallarry]

A PETITION TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

Source: U.S. National Archives, Record Group 77, Records of the Chief of Engineers, Manhattan Engineer District, Harrison-Bundy File, folder #76.

On July 17, 1945, Leo Szilard and 69 co-signers at the Manhattan Project "Metallurgical Laboratory" in Chicago petitioned the President of the United States.

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July 17, 1945

A PETITION TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

Discoveries of which the people of the United States are not aware may affect the welfare of this nation in the near future. The liberation of atomic power which has been achieved places atomic bombs in the hands of the Army. It places in your hands, as Commander-in-Chief, the fateful decision whether or not to sanction the use of such bombs in the present phase of the war against Japan.

We, the undersigned scientists, have been working in the field of atomic power. Until recently, we have had to fear that the United States might be attacked by atomic bombs during this war and that her only defense might lie in a counterattack by the same means. Today, with the defeat of Germany, this danger is averted and we feel impelled to say what follows:

The war has to be brought speedily to a successful conclusion and attacks by atomic bombs may very well be an effective method of warfare. We feel, however, that such attacks on Japan could not be justified, at least not unless the terms which will be imposed after the war on Japan were made public in detail and Japan were given an opportunity to surrender.

If such public announcement gave assurance to the Japanese that they could look forward to a life devoted to peaceful pursuits in their homeland and if Japan still refused to surrender our nation might then, in certain circumstances, find itself forced to resort to the use of atomic bombs. Such a step, however, ought not to be made at any time without seriously considering the moral responsibilities which are involved.

The development of atomic power will provide the nations with new means of destruction. The atomic bombs at our disposal represent only the first step in this direction, and there is almost no limit to the destructive power which will become available in the course of their future development. Thus a nation which sets the precedent of using these newly liberated forces of nature for purposes of destruction may have to bear the responsibility of opening the door to an era of devastation on an unimaginable scale.

If after this war a situation is allowed to develop in the world which permits rival powers to be in uncontrolled possession of these new means of destruction, the cities of the United States as well as the cities of other nations will be in continuous danger of sudden annihilation. All the resources of the United States, moral and material, may have to be mobilized to prevent the advent of such a world situation. Its prevention is at present the solemn responsibility of the United States -- singled out by virtue of her lead in the field of atomic power.

The added material strength which this lead gives to the United States brings with it the obligation of restraint and if we were to violate this obligation our moral position would be weakened in the eyes of the world and in our own eyes. It would then be more difficult for us to live up to our responsibility of bringing the unloosened forces of destruction under control.

In view of the foregoing, we, the undersigned, respectfully petition: first, that you exercise your power as Commander-in-Chief, to rule that the United States shall not resort to the use of atomic bombs in this war unless the terms which will be imposed upon Japan have been made public in detail and Japan knowing these terms has refused to surrender; second, that in such an event the question whether or not to use atomic bombs be decided by you in light of the considerations presented in this petition as well as all the other moral responsibilities which are involved.

Leo Szilard and 69 co-signers

Signers listed in alphabetical order, with position identifications added:

1. DAVID S. ANTHONY, Associate Chemist
2. LARNED B. ASPREY, Junior Chemist, S.E.D.
3. WALTER BARTKY, Assistant Director
4. AUSTIN M. BRUES, Director, Biology Division
5. MARY BURKE, Research Assistant
6. ALBERT CAHN, JR., Junior Physicist
7. GEORGE R. CARLSON, Research Assistant-Physics
8. KENNETH STEWART COLE, Principal Bio-Physicist
9. ETHALINE HARTGE CORTELYOU, Junior Chemist
10. JOHN CRAWFORD, Physicist
11. MARY M. DAILEY,Research Assistant
12. MIRIAM P. FINKEL, Associate Biologist
13. FRANK G. FOOTE, Metallurgist
14. HORACE OWEN FRANCE, Associate Biologist
15. MARK S. FRED, Research Associate-Chemistry
16. SHERMAN FRIED, Chemist
17. FRANCIS LEE FRIEDMAN, Physicist
18. MELVIN S. FRIEDMAN, Associate Chemist
19. MILDRED C. GINSBERG, Computer
20. NORMAN GOLDSTEIN, Junior Physicist
21. SHEFFIELD GORDON, Associate Chemist
22. WALTER J. GRUNDHAUSER, Research Assistant
23. CHARLES W. HAGEN, Research Assistant
24. DAVID B. HALL, position not identified
25. DAVID L. HILL, Associate Physicist, Argonne
26. JOHN PERRY HOWE, JR., Associate Division Director, Chemistry
27. EARL K. HYDE, Associate Chemist
28. JASPER B. JEFFRIES, Junior Physicist, Junior Chemist
29. WILLIAM KARUSH, Associate Physicist
30. TRUMAN P. KOHMAN, Chemist-Research
31. HERBERT E. KUBITSCHEK, Junior Physicist
32. ALEXANDER LANGSDORF, JR., Research Associate
33. RALPH E. LAPP, Assistant to Division Director
34. LAWRENCE B. MAGNUSSON, Junior Chemist
35. ROBERT JOSEPH MAURER, Physicist
36. NORMAN FREDERICK MODINE, Research Assistant
37. GEORGE S. MONK, Physicist
38. ROBERT JAMES MOON, Physicist
39. MARIETTA CATHERINE MOORE, Technician
40. ROBERT SANDERSON MULLIKEN, Coordinator of Information
41. J. J. NICKSON, [Medical Doctor, Biology Division]
42. WILLIAM PENROD NORRIS, Associate Biochemist
43. PAUL RADELL O'CONNOR, Junior Chemist
44. LEO ARTHUR OHLINGER, Senior Engineer
45. ALFRED PFANSTIEHL, Junior Physicist
46. ROBERT LEROY PLATZMAN, Chemist
47. C. LADD PROSSER, Biologist
48. ROBERT LAMBURN PURBRICK, Junior Physicist
49. WILFRED RALL, Research Assistant-Physics
50. MARGARET H. RAND, Research Assistant, Health Section
51. WILLIAM RUBINSON, Chemist
52. B. ROSWELL RUSSELL, position not identified
53. GEORGE ALAN SACHER, Associate Biologist
54. FRANCIS R. SHONKA, Physicist
54. ERIC L. SIMMONS, Associate Biologist, Health Group
56. JOHN A. SIMPSON, JR., Physicist
57. ELLIS P. STEINBERG, Junior Chemist
58. D. C. STEWART, S/SGT S.E.D.
59. GEORGE SVIHLA, position not identified [Health Group]
60. MARGUERITE N. SWIFT, Associate Physiologist, Health Group
61. LEO SZILARD, Chief Physicist
62. RALPH E. TELFORD, position not identified
63. JOSEPH D. TERESI, Associate Chemist
64. ALBERT WATTENBERG, Physicist
65. KATHERINE WAY, Research Assistant
66. EDGAR FRANCIS WESTRUM, JR., Chemist
67. EUGENE PAUL WIGNER, Physicist
68. ERNEST J. WILKINS, JR., Associate Physicist
69. HOYLANDE YOUNG, Senior Chemist
70. WILLIAM F. H. ZACHARIASEN, Consultant

Source note: The position identifications for the signers are based on two undated lists, both titled "July 17, 1945," in the same file as the petition in the National Archives. From internal evidence, one probably was prepared in late 1945 and the other in late 1946. Signers were categorized as either "Important" or "Not Important," and dates of termination from project employment were listed in many cases. It is reasonable to conclude that the lists were prepared and used for the purpose of administrative retaliation against the petition signers.

[liberallarry]

Of What Is Leo Szilard Guilty?

Lyndon LaRouche's view.

My view is that the all of these guys - Sudoplatov, the Schechters, Zarubina, Beria - are not worth the dirt under Szilard's fingernails. What did they ever accomplish? They're mud-throwers, liars, and thieves. Nothing more.

[liberallarry]

Documents Sorted by Date

The source documents.

[oyez]

Since Einstein was a physist, he should have understood material balances thus knowing that communusm was scientificly unworkable..

[liberallarry]

13. Compartmentalisation methodology arising from Atom Bomb Development

Compartmentalisation of physicists so that they only know the physics relevant to a small part of the project they are engaged in , and not having an overall understanding of the entire project has resulted in corruption of physics, and is part of why Scientists are unable to put the pieces together to solve the UFO Mystery i.e. they are denied access to all the information needed to solve what is going on. Compartmentalisation was created in WWII as a need for National Security in Atom Bomb Research.

General Groves when he took over the Manhattan Project - the US project to create the Atom Bomb in WWII imposed Compartmentalisation to try to keep Security. If a scientist only knew a small part of the project, and not an understanding of the overall project, then Groves believed this would be the bets way to keep secrets. If there was a ‘leak’ from a scientist, then the scientists could not ‘leak’ the entire project details.

However, one scientist Szilard in particular was opposed to this, and wanted open discussion on all aspects of the Project among all scientists, believing that this was the bets way for science progress in building the Atom Bomb.

Thus there was conflict between the interests of maintaining security and the ability to do the science. General Groves instantly took a dislike to maverick scientist Szilard. In the book The Making of the Atomic Bomb, Richard Rhodes says :

"The kind of man that any employer would have fired as a troublemaker." Thus Leslie Groves described Leo Szilard in an off - the - record post-war interview, as if the general had arrived first at fission development and Szilard had only been a hireling. Groves seems to have attributed Szilard’s business to the fact that he was a Jew. Upon Groves’ appointment to the Manhattan Project he almost immediately judged Szilard a menace. They proceeded to fight out their profound disagreements hand to hand. The heart of the matter was compartmentalisation." [1] 

Where compartmentalisation is the restriction of how much a scientist is allowed to know about the Project he is engaged. Szilard was the "ideas" man behind the Atom Bomb. It was Szilard who told Einstein about the Atom Bomb being possible:

"...Szilard told Einstein about the Columbia secondary - neutron experiments and his calculations toward a chain reaction in uranium and graphite. Long afterward he would recall his surprise that Einstein had not yet heard of the possibility of a chain reaction. When he mentioned it Einstein interjected, ..... "I never thought of that!" He was nevertheless, says Szilard, "very quick to see the implications and perfectly willing to do anything that needed to be done. He was willing to assume responsibility for sounding the alarm even though it was quite possible that the alarm might prove to be a false alarm. The one thing most scientists are really afraid of is to make fools of themselves. Einstein was free from such fear and this above all is what made his position unique on this occasion." [2] 

This eventually led to Einstein informing the president of the possibility of making the Atom Bomb. [3] Szilard became part of the US Project to build the Atom Bomb, and was one of the main scientists involved:

"If the Project could have been run on ideas alone, says Wigner, no one but Szilard would have been needed. Szilard’s more staid scientific colleagues sometimes had trouble adjusting to his mercurial passage from one solution to another...." [4] 

However:

"..... his army associates were horrified," [5] 

Because he (Szilard) was breaking compartmentalisation rules and knowing everything about the whole A Bomb Project.

"........and to make matters worse, Szilard freely indulged in what he once identified as his favourite hobby - baiting brass hats [i.e. Army Officers]." [6] 

The response of General Groves was to be:

"........ outraged by Szilard's unabashed view that army compartmentalisation rules, which forbade discussion of lines of research that did not immediately impinge on each other, should be ignored in the interests of completing the bomb." [7] 

"The issue for Szilard was openness with the project to facilitate its work. "There is no way of telling beforehand," he wrote in a 1944 discussion of the problem, "what man is likely to discover and invent a new method which will make the old methods obsolete." The issue for Groves, to the contrary, was security." [8] 

"......Groves put Szilard under surveillance. The brigadier still harboured the incredible notion that Leo Szilard might be a German agent. The surveillance was already months old in mid - June [1943] ........." [9] 

Compartmentalisation restricts the openness within projects, and hence restrict what can be learnt. It is still the methodology used today. National Security considerations are considered more important than allowing physicists to have complete understanding of the projects they are engaged in. Hence ‘they’ cannot make all the connections that lead to certain new discoveries, or to work out where their specialism sits in the complete picture of the UFO Mystery.

Reference

[1] The Making of the Atomic Bomb, Richard Rhodes, Simon and Schuster, London 1986, p502.

[2] p 305.

[3] p 306.

[4] p 502

[5] p 502

[6] p 502 

[7] p 502

[8] p 503

[9] p 506

[DPB101]

Szilard turned against using the bomb only after Germany was defeated. He didn't give a damn about America. He was dancing to the tune Stalin played. The left had been trying to chew America up in the Pacific since the early 1930s.

[liberallarry]

Szilard turned against using the bomb only after Germany was defeated. He didn't give a damn about America.

You obviously can't read...or won't read

He was dancing to the tune Stalin played

Bullshit. He was quite familiar with Russell's work. Russell advocated preventative war against the Soviet Union...and didn't like Russian Communism at all. There's fairly strong evidence Szilard agreed.

The left had been trying to chew America up in the Pacific since the early 1930s

Get a life. The one you've got is worthless.

[proudofthesouth]

Hey wait a second! I have RED hair!! Though my comes from a bottle. :~)