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If over 3000 years of prohibition don't indicate some sort of 'victim' problem to you, you are drinking the KoolAid that O'Connor promotes: "recent evolution in societal values..."

I do not advocate executions for sodomy, although there were such in Colonial times. I do not advocate umpty years of jail-time for sodomy (that would mean that most jailbirds would be there forever, wouldn't it?)

But to simply ascribe it to "illness" and say "there's no [apparent] victim--are the johns of whores "ill?" There's no "victim" there, either--except for the people who have to live in the neighborhood where these crimes occur...along with all the OTHER criminal activity that seems to follow.

If over 3000 years of prohibition don't indicate some sort of 'victim' problem to you, you are drinking the KoolAid that O'Connor promotes...

Actually, in many countries - some of them based in Christianity - sodomy and prostitution were legal as recently as 350 years ago. Furthermore, just because a particular society prohibits an act, doesn't, of its own merit, make that act wrong. It only makes it prohibited at that place and time.

But to simply ascribe it to "illness"...

So, are you saying that those people are normal ? ! ? ! ?

Gimme a break. A simple look at nature will tell you otherwise.

Each species continues to exist because of a natural drive to engage in heterosexual sex, resulting in reproduction.

It is not natural to engage in homosexual sex, because you can't reproduce via homosexual sex.

Therefore, people whose drive is to engage in homosexual sex have some wires crossed. Be it mental or physical, acquired after birth or a birth defect, it is still a sickness. Many diseases that have been around since the beginning of recorded history have been virtually eliminated by human research. There is no reason to believe that if our researchers put their minds to it, they can't cure whatever it is that causes the disease of homosexuality.

are the johns of whores "ill?"

No. Just hor%y.

There's no "victim" there, either--except for the people who have to live in the neighborhood where these crimes occur...along with all the OTHER criminal activity that seems to follow.

Strangely enough, that "other criminal activity" that you speak of, only seems to follow, in those areas where prostitution is illegal. In places like Las Vegas and the many other countries of the world where prostitution is either legal or officially overlooked, that "other criminal activity" is strangely absent. That's because the prostitutes and their pimps don't want to risk their gravy train by drawing the attention of law enforcement, by committing some other criminal activity or allowing the johns to do the same. So again, your argument doesn't wash.

The fact is that homosexuality is an aberration that is not going to be cured by punishing people for having that disease. You don't punish sickness. You cure it.

Furthermore, the Texas law was written in such a way that it clearly was a violation of the 4th Amendment. At least with the SCOTUS coming down on the side of the 4th Amendment, in this case, there is hope that whenever the Patriot Act reaches them, they will do the same and overturn that piece of garbage, too.

are the johns of whores "ill?" There's no "victim" there, either--except for the people who have to live in the neighborhood where these crimes occur

Those victims are caused by the illegality of it, not by prostitution itself. The prostitutes themselves are the victims, but again of the illegality. If the practice were legal, as it is in some places, you wouldn't have (nearly) the explotation and other problems.

I tend to go along with the homosexuallity as defect notion, which would lead to the decriminalization of it, but the homosexuals themselves do not, understandably I guess.