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To: OWK
But what if I want to form my own society? What if I don't want to be affected by people who engage in anti-social behaviors whatsoever? You see, as hard as you try, I'm still going to have to pick up the costs for anti-social behaviors in some way. As long as I'm sharing a society with perverts, they're going to affect me in some way. We'll vote in the same elections, pay the same taxes, and so on. It's impossible not to be affected by people you share a society with.

Let's say I want to form my own society with other social conservatives. Let's call it Bluenoseprudeland. And then you libertarians and all your drug-addled, pervert friends can form your own society, Transvestitistan. That way, we can both be happy and live around people we like.

Don't I have a 'right' to live the way I wish, around the people I wish to live around? Isn't this the essence of libertarianism?

1,047 posted on 06/26/2003 12:55:38 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: HumanaeVitae
But what if I want to form my own society?

Have at it.

What if I don't want to be affected by people who engage in anti-social behaviors whatsoever?

Avoid yourself at all costs.;^]

You see, as hard as you try, I'm still going to have to pick up the costs for anti-social behaviors in some way.

Not unless you subscribe to the same old socialist crap running rampant in the United States today. It is the argument over the distribution of socialist goodies that drives most of the dissent.

As long as I'm sharing a society with perverts, they're going to affect me in some way.

And as long as they have to share it with you, you'll effect them in some way. And neither of you consider the other's influence beneficial. But so long as neither of you violate the rights of the other by initiating force or fraud, you are both otherwise free to act as you please, and ignore the other to your heart's content.

Don't I have a 'right' to live the way I wish, around the people I wish to live around? Isn't this the essence of libertarianism?

You have the right to choose your own associations. You have the right to purchase property with like-minded others. You have the right to include or exclude anyone you wish.

What you do NOT have the right to do, is mandate or prohibit the otherwise peaceful behavior of your unwilling neighbors by force.

Again, I can't make it any clearer than that.

1,077 posted on 06/26/2003 1:09:18 PM PDT by OWK
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To: HumanaeVitae
I'm still going to have to pick up the costs for anti-social behaviors in some way. We'll vote in the same elections, pay the same taxes, and so on.

In the absence of socialist entitlements (mainly health care) and in the presence of true free association, in exactly what way do you have to pick up costs?

It seems your real problem is socialism, and not the private behavior of others. Why don't you focus on the former, instead of doing socialists most insidious work of regulating everyone's life down to the smallest details?

1,080 posted on 06/26/2003 1:09:50 PM PDT by freeeee
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To: HumanaeVitae
"What if I don't want to be affected by people who engage in anti-social behaviors whatsoever? You see, as hard as you try, I'm still going to have to pick up the costs for anti-social behaviors in some way."

So is your answer to ban these behaviors? If we're focusing on "anti-social" behaviors that cost us money as a society, do we then ban excessive drinking, eating large amounts of fat and cholesterol, smoking, and on and on?
1,086 posted on 06/26/2003 1:14:18 PM PDT by kegler4
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