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1 posted on 06/26/2003 7:08:24 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Thane_Banquo
Let's just get simple on this. I will have to read the decision in it's full, but what I gather is, if a woman in Texas performs oral sex on a man, it is legal, but if a man does it to a man it is illegal. That is what the supreme court objected to, not morality laws.

If Texas said oral sex was against the law for everybody, the law would have been less troublesome to the Supremes.

87 posted on 06/26/2003 7:32:03 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Thane_Banquo
This was a bad decision. 10th amendment.
101 posted on 06/26/2003 7:34:50 AM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Say Hey! Hey! Damn Yankee!")
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To: Thane_Banquo
Genesis 19

Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed

1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground.
2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate.
4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house.
5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."
9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door.
11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.
12 The two men said to Lot, "Do you have anyone else here-sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here,
13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the LORD against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it."
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry [1] his daughters. He said, "Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!" But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.
15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, "Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished."
16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the LORD was merciful to them.
17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, "Flee for your lives! Don't look back, and don't stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!"
18 But Lot said to them, "No, my lords, [2] please!
19 Your [3] servant has found favor in your [4] eyes, and you [5] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can't flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I'll die.
20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it-it is very small, isn't it? Then my life will be spared."
21 He said to him, "Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of.
22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it." (That is why the town was called Zoar. [6] )
23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land.
24 Then the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah-from the LORD out of the heavens.

115 posted on 06/26/2003 7:39:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Chancellor Palpatine; Grando Calrissian; discostu; MineralMan
PING Check out this lively debate!
133 posted on 06/26/2003 7:44:31 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Thane_Banquo
SCOTUS sided with the perverts.

SCOTUS sided with individual rights, including private perversion between two consenting adults.

160 posted on 06/26/2003 7:53:25 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Thane_Banquo
A common-sense decision that strikes down a case (Bowers) that was wrongly decided. A fictory for individual rights and liberty.

This makes up for the AA debacle.

Trace
169 posted on 06/26/2003 7:56:10 AM PDT by Trace21230 (Ideal MOAB test site: Paris)
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To: Thane_Banquo
The SCOTUS has just become the most expedient law-fabricating branch of government. Why pass amendments anymore? It's such a draw-out, painful process. The SCOTUS will make rights up out of penumbras and do away with that pesky, Constitutionally-defined path for amending and explicating our rights when necessary.

I want to see the reasoning behind the decision and which passages of the Constitution it cites and explicates. I am afraid it is held up by so much hot air and penumbras.
175 posted on 06/26/2003 7:58:29 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: Thane_Banquo
This ruling is a pain in the a$$
199 posted on 06/26/2003 8:06:42 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: Thane_Banquo
Obvously, the constitution nor the original intent of the Founders mean a thing any more...
214 posted on 06/26/2003 8:10:03 AM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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To: Thane_Banquo
The SCOTUS is only allowing men to do each other what the SCOTUS has been doing to the people for dacades!
218 posted on 06/26/2003 8:10:52 AM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Thane_Banquo
from Kennedy's opionion (my emphasis):

"It must be acknowledged, of course, that the Court in Bowers was making the broader point that for centuries there have been powerful voices to condemn homosexual conduct as immoral. The condemnation has been shaped by religious beliefs, conceptions of right and acceptable behavior, and respect for the traditional family. For many persons these are not trivial concerns but profound and deep convictions accepted as ethical and moral principles to which they aspire and which thus determine the course of their lives. These considerations do not answer the question before us, however. The issue is whether the majority may use the power of the State to enforce these views on the whole society through operation of the criminal law."

229 posted on 06/26/2003 8:14:58 AM PDT by jethropalerobber
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Ping
231 posted on 06/26/2003 8:15:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
This is a matter of state rights, not fed rights.

In my book, the court has given up its job and given it to the media and the mob of liberals to decide and arbitrate along the "laws" of political correctness.
237 posted on 06/26/2003 8:16:45 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Thane_Banquo
What a stupid decision.

Heaven knows that adults can't be trusted in their own bedrooms.

We need MORE government control of our lives, not LESS. (especially in the bedroom, where consenting adults might do something nasty).

We need religious police, like they have in Saudi Arabia.

That'll keep people from having sex we disapprove of.

241 posted on 06/26/2003 8:17:39 AM PDT by OWK
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To: Thane_Banquo
bump!
268 posted on 06/26/2003 8:26:26 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("For great justice...")
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To: Thane_Banquo
The issue is the IMMEDIATE danger it presents to the rest of us.

There is a real danger, but its IMMEDIACY is questionable in my mind.

Which is precisely why banning smoking in bars and taverns for owners who want to have smoking is SO STUPID when compared to this ruling. You don't have to go into the bar. Reasonable precautions will prevent NON-IMMEDIATE danger to anyone who doesn't want to choose the danger.

296 posted on 06/26/2003 8:33:44 AM PDT by HatSteel
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To: Thane_Banquo
Much as I hate to say it, this country is done, barring a reversal of this decision.
297 posted on 06/26/2003 8:34:24 AM PDT by tomahawk
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ping

sick, just sick.
303 posted on 06/26/2003 8:36:37 AM PDT by msdrby (I do believe the cheese slid off his cracker! - The Green Mile)
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To: Thane_Banquo
from Kennedy's opinion:

The present case does not involve minors. It does not involve persons who might be injured or coerced or who are situated in relationships where consent might not easily be refused. It does not involve public conduct or prostitution. It does not involve whether the government must give formal recognition to any relationship that homosexual persons seek to enter.

305 posted on 06/26/2003 8:36:39 AM PDT by jethropalerobber
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Chalk up another victory for the perverts. The SCOTUS is totally out of control.
317 posted on 06/26/2003 8:38:55 AM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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