Why Davis deserves to be recalled

San Diego Union Tribune ^ | June 20, 2003 | Joseph Perkins

[HassanBenSobar]

Thanks for the info, esp. the link to McClintock's '3 principles'. Very interesting. I agree, by the way, that the republicans in the legislature have done very well so far blocking new tax increases--for that I'm very grateful.

Perhaps it's my limited attention (or limited media attention) but McClintock's points are the first time I've heard any california politician--conservatives included--suggest a path out of the crisis. Even so: the cuts will have to fall somewhere (even if they are 'cuts': non-increases--a dishonest use of the language that belongs in the liars hall of fame). I still am not hearing from anyone what programs should be cut. Guess that's business as usual, though.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

2nd try? Fine.

Way to quote me out of context to apply some sort of psychological disorder when you are the one that needs help for your passionate desire to see the people of CA suffer. Won't work, you are transparent.

Actually the reason Gray is in power is that people like you, fashionably cynical and woefully uninformed keep pushing for CA conservatives to be defeatist, to self doubt, and believe it doesn't matter anyways because California is "soooo" liberal. With record low turnout in the last gubenitorial election, and Gray still losing every county in the state except LA and San Fran, and only winning 52-47, if a few thousand stopped listening to the defeatists like yourself, he would indeed need to work in Laguna Beach.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

but McClintock's points are the first time I've heard any california politician--conservatives included--suggest a path out of the crisis

Amazing isn't it? I'm as surprised as you. I think its because almost everyone else involved simply doesn't understand the situation. That is why I am so passionate when I've heard what he said that this is the guy who needs to be the next Gov. Not because he has an 'R' before his name, but because he knows how to fix the problem.

even if they are 'cuts': non-increases--a dishonest use of the language that belongs in the liars hall of fame

I couldn't agree more, one of my biggest pet peeves. I saw this on an earlier thread; "An additional $5.5 billion in so-called "cuts" are the result of the governor adding new spending that is not required by current law, then taking it out again."

I think our greatest asset in this is that Gray is SOO corrupt and spending SOO much on his cronies that other than a few cases their screams will be irrelvant.

[SpaceBar]

After all my points, that was the best you got?

Claiming to have made "points" is quite different from actually making "points". The only "points" you made is that you think only Californians can have valid opinions regarding California. Asserting that you aren't a victim of crime doesn't make it so, and only shows that your limited faculties can't comprehend causality relationships that span space and time beyond your immediate environment. Just because you have been fortunate enough not to have your wallet stolen at gunpoint doesn't mean you aren't a victim, and to suggest otherwise implies that you don't give much thought to exactly where your money goes. As for myself, I silently shed a tear whenever I travel to California. Thirty years ago it was a nice place to live. However those days are gone. The best thing remaining in California are signs visible on major highways that say something to the effect that you are now leaving California when one is travelling in the appropriate direction. Now back to the point of the original article, does Davis deserve to be recalled? You betcha. Should he be recalled? No way, jose. He is a walking advertisement for liberal fiscal mismanagement and incompetance. Let California convulse on their choice of political leadership for the time being. Getting sick after eating something is an excellent motivator for crossing that particular item off one's menu in the future.

[cake_crumb]

Davis is sweating. He only sets his dogs loose when he's scared he's gonna lose. There's nothing more vicious than a leftist facing the grim reality that he may REALLY lose power.

[SpaceBar]

There are still some of us conservatives here in CA, but we're being outnumbered.

I'm not unsympathetic to your plight. The best weapon against creeping liberalism is truth. Confront the flawed socialist/collectivist notion wherever you find it. It's a nasty job but somebody's got to do it.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Now a 3rd try?! OKaaaay.

He is a walking advertisement for liberal fiscal mismanagement and incompetance. Let California convulse on their choice of political leadership for the time being. Getting sick after eating something is an excellent motivator for crossing that particular item off one's menu in the future.

Huh? Help me out here because now I am really confused. California is entirely liberal, and we have addressed how we don't understand your brilliant causal relationships that are currently victimizing us; how are we going to get sick of eating whatever it is that you are talking about? The way I see it, they only thing I can do is cry about it, curse the ground and move to New Mexico. Say...that sounds familiar.

[cake_crumb]

The Eric Bauman who's the chair of the LA Democratic Party?

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

REPORT RECALL ACTIVITY TO OUR HOTLINE - ASAP!

How Orwellian. Fantastic work, mabelkitty, keep it up the researching.

I might just borrow this in future fighting. This needs to be reposted for every arm chair CA GOP Chairman who's an anti-recaller pooping up FR with theories of how the DNC is secretly supporting the recall because it makes them more powerful if they are out of power, or something.

Your post kills bugs, dead.

[SpaceBar]

Huh? Help me out here because now I am really confused.

I'm not surprised.

California is entirely liberal

No Einstein. California as a political collective behaves decidedly liberal.

and we have addressed how we don't understand your brilliant causal relationships that are currently victimizing us

You can use the firstperson singular "I" since I'm addressing your own personal shortsightedness at the moment.

how are we going to get sick of eating whatever it is that you are talking about?

I apologise for the use of such convoluted rhetorical techniques such as euphimism or analogy. Had I known you were so dense I would have chosen more direct phraseology.

The way I see it, they only thing I can do is cry about it, curse the ground and move to New Mexico.

The water's fine, and we have conceal carry.

[cake_crumb]

Uh...anyone want to stop the flame wars long enought to look into Eric Bauman?

It's probaly the head of the LA Dem Party and a chair of the SoCal chapter of a national "non-profit" org called the Urban and Regional Information Systems Association (URISA) which claims to specialize in using "Geographic Information Systems (GIS) and other information technologies to solve challenges in all state and local government agencies and departments" and promote "the effective and ethical use of spatial information and information technologies for the understanding and management of urban and regional systems." Whatever THAT means.

Minutes and officers of SoCal chapter of URISA

Information (such as it is) on URISA

Need help confirming...I don't live in CA. Seems like it ought to be the same guy, spatially speaking, of course...IS it?

[Brad’s Gramma]

its so clear now.

Oh, it's clear alright. I oftentimes wonder about people who are SO quick to jump on California as a whole, how they would respond the next time their state had a catastrophe (man-made or otherwise) if their fellow Freepers would rejoice in that fact.

I've also wondered how they would feel if we DID leave enmasse and take up residence in their state.

I find the whole concept very childish.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Einstein, shortsightedness, dense. Now you are down to personal attacks. You are getting alittle childish in your persistence. I'm not interested in being your buddie, but I am in debating the issues. You might not be the best candidate for this, but I'll try this one more time.

how are we going to get sick of eating whatever it is that you are talking about, if we...what was your useless correction?California as a political collective behaves decidedly liberal. So if we are that, and we, or at least I-the lone conservative- can't even understand your brilliant causal relationships, how in the WORLD do you expect these lesser Marxists to "get sick of this eating" after your arbitrary time period and establishment a causality to Democrates? You may be able to throw around insults, but the logic behind your bashing doesn't add up.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

"childish" was my word exactly.

[SpaceBar]

Now you are down to personal attacks.

I refer to these little tidbits in your original reply to my post...

"irrational hatred of the people of California.."

That is code for "anyone who doesn't live here and has a negative opinion about California is irrational".

Didn't your mother ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say, keep your mouth shut?

Again a crude rebuttal that says simply "shut up" if you trim off the fat.

You are the one, my spittle ejecting friend, who used personal attacks at the get-go. My comments on California views the state as the collective whole. The collective voted the guy in, the collective can live with him for the duration of his term. A few more years of pouring billions down a rathole might make a Republican candidate look more attractive in the next election cycle and lead to sweeping changes in the reigns of power. Just because something can be done, doesn't mean that it should be done. Examples are legion. A recall at this time, as pointed out by an earlier poster, could backfire and have disastrous effects for a meaningful Republican challenge for power when Davis's term runs its course. Davis is doing such a good job to assure the loss of democratic power in California, it would be a shame to interrupt him.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

I see, so started this? Fine. I shouldn't have indirectly told you to shut up. I'm sorry. You've beaten me at that in spades since then. "spittle ejecting" come on, what are you doing?

That is code for "anyone who doesn't live here and has a negative opinion about California is irrational".

That's not code, you still don't understand how offensive that is. To say those things about Californians as a whole is clearly irrational. To calously wish for our destruction in the manor you did is indeed spiteful.

A recall at this time, as pointed out by an earlier poster, could backfire and have disastrous effects for a meaningful Republican challenge for power when Davis's term runs its course Super, we're on issues again. Here's why the "let 'em sink" arguement is wrong. In leaving Davis in power, you have to realize that establishing a liberal orthodoxy might be more likely if we DO NOT recall Gray Davis. Currently, the debt is entirely abstract, dealing in "future" proposed spending. Better yet, read this. The DNC stratigy is to only cut spending on things "the people" will be upset about, Police, Fire, Roads, Schools to justify new taxes. They are already phrasing the debate that "cuts" means those cuts. We keep spending 41% more with every budget. They manage to call any reduction in these new spending proposals a "cut" image what they will do after they are law. In 2007, in order to get things back to the way they are now, spending would roughly have to be cut 82% to roll back what had been wasted. Precident has been set, it won't happen. More importantly it will be easy to shoot down conservative arguements to do that nasty of cutting, soooooo, in order to get anything "done" the GOP has to propose...da da da DA; tax increases of their own. From there, its easy for cynics to say "what's the difference anyways" and not vote, or vote for 3rd party losers. Indirectly, the innaction you are argueing for causes the Left to hold serve. Always remember, conservatism in its most basic form = optimism. Cynicism, in the form of poo-pooing the Recall, is always the ally of the Left.

The recall is going to happen, support us, its going to be a beautiful thing.

[SpaceBar]

Regarding the use of double-speak to disguise decreases in forward projected budgeted spending as "tax cuts", I've been aware of that for sometime, perhaps decades. Didn't fall off that turnip truck last week. Both sides conservative and liberal use that same double-speak. Hence the old saw about a politician lying only when his lips are moving. Perhaps we should simply disagree. I believe Davis should serve his term of office. You don't. Fair nuff. I probably despise Davis as much as anyone, but again, when your enemy is f-----g up big time, the last thing you want to do is interrupt them. People will eventually (again that collective stuff) see the light.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

when your enemy is f-----g up big time, the last thing you want to do is interrupt them. People will eventually (again that collective stuff) see the light.

Well, don't forget that the GOP state senators have been holding true to "no tax increases" since Davis took over. They are the doorstop that has kept this state together and made the distinction between the Elephant and the Donkey obvious. Their stand will indirectly lead to GOP success in the recall. They can't hold out any longer given the media's "numbers" for raising the debt. Time is of the essence, if the recall doesn't go through, the GOP will be reduced to "me too"ism and lose all the newfound support you are hoping they would benefit from in 2007.

[heleny]

they'll induce davis to resign...Bustamonte wiull take over, the recall will be moot,

Notwithstanding the low likelihood of Davis' resignation because of his ego, chance of surviving the recall, and reported dislike of Bustamante, his resignation would not stop the recall election.

California Elections Code
11302. If a vacancy occurs in an office after a recall petition is filed against the vacating officer, the recall election shall nevertheless proceed. The vacancy shall be filled as provided by law, but any person appointed to fill the vacancy shall hold office only until a successor is selected ....

[patriotguy]

Uh...who's Eric Bauman and why are we trying to figure out who he is?