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Parallel Universes
Scientific American ^ | May 2003 | Max Tegmark

Posted on 06/25/2003 7:42:21 AM PDT by Junior

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To: Junior
Great article! It takes awhile to read it all, but it was worth it.
61 posted on 06/25/2003 10:42:58 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: thirdheavenward
I am not really an expert on Cosmology, but I suspect that the author of this article isn't one either.

As a matter of fact, he's one of the premier experts on cosmology in the world (and a colleague of mine here at Penn). When it comes to testing cosmological models against hard observational data, there's none better.

The Big Bang theory stipulates that at the beginning the volume of the universe was zero. After that, it expanded (extremely rapidly) and continues to do so, such that the total volume of the universe grew and continues to grow at a high but finite rate.

That refers to our horizon, but not to the whole. In the standard Friedmann cosmology, the volume of the universe can be represented as the "surface" of a 4-dimensional hypersphere. We have a finite horizon, or "Hubble volume"--the volume of the universe that is receding from us at a velocity less than the velocity of light--but the whole is (in principle) finite, too: it eventually curves back upon itself.

[Geek alert: read carefully what I said. In any cosmological model, there will be parts of the universe that are receding faster than light. This does not violate special relativity, because these regions are out of causal contact with us.]

The question remains: what is the radius of that hypersphere? It could be anything, according to Friedmann; it's just something you have to measure. On Earth, for example, you can measure the radius of the Earth simply by noting that an equilateral triangle, 10 million meters on each side, will have interior angles of 90 degrees each, rather than the 60 degrees of a small equilateral triangle.

We now (as of 4 months ago) have a similar measure for the largest possible triangles that can be drawn in our Hubble volume. No matter how big, the interior angles sum to 180 degrees. This corresponds to a hypersphere of infinite radius; in other words, the universe is flat.

This agrees with the theoretical prediction of Inflationary Cosmology.

[Geek alert: the curvature could also have been negative, in which case the universe would have a hyperbolic shape, rather than a hyperspherical shape.]

62 posted on 06/25/2003 10:43:40 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Looking back on my life, there are a number of really stupid things that I almost did. Now I find out that somewhere out there, I actually did do them. How embarrassing is that?

Looking back on my life, there are a number of really smart things that I almost did. Now I find out that somewhere out there, I actually did do them. How cool is that?

63 posted on 06/25/2003 10:46:13 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Junior
Fascinating article, but the way that the author bandies around terms like "infinite" and "eternal" without really comprehending their meaning bugs me. For example, he speaks of the universe being "infinite" in size because it (in all likelihood) has no borders. However, that's not really what he means. The universe can be finite without ever allowing us to come to an edge just as the inside space of a sphere can be finite without ever allowing the ant crawling around on its inside to come to an opening.

In fact, the volume of the universe must be finite, if Big Bang cosmology or any other cosmology that depends on expansion is true. The Big Bang states that the universe was at one point finite in size (a singularity or near-singularity) before it started expanding. You cannot expand a finite space for a finite period of time (13-15 billion years) and reach infinity. For that matter, you cannot expand something that is already infinite at all.

Likewise, if the volume of space is finite, the mass and energy contained in it must be finite as well, as you cannot fit an infinite amount of mass into a finite container.

I understand that he's writing at the popular level, but he really should be more careful in the use of his terms. The fact is that "infinite" is a purely conceptual word (and a poorly conceived word at that), and not one that can be observationally or even logically sustained. The author here is misusing it, meaning instead "an incoceivably large amount."

I myself tend towards a more Aristotelian worldview for a simple reason: We know that not all mathematical models correspond to reality. For example, suppose my boss asked for an estimate on how many people it would take to complete a certain project. And then suppose that I use a quadradic equation to make my estimate and end up with the numbers 4 and -3 for x. Could I then go to my boss and say, "Well, it'll either take me four people or negative three people"? Is there a conceivable universe in which -3 people would be the correct answer?

To me, the fact that the universe corresponds so well to mathematics is not evidence that the math is the real and my senses are the unreal, but that it was designed by a very good Engineer.

64 posted on 06/25/2003 10:55:02 AM PDT by Buggman (Stephen King has forgotten the face of his Father)
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To: Junior
What about those which have not yet occured?
65 posted on 06/25/2003 10:59:04 AM PDT by freedom9 (Nature will not tolerate the unnatural)
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To: Dead Corpse
LOL!!

What a great idea for a made-for-TV movie!

66 posted on 06/25/2003 11:02:31 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Junior
Whew. I was a lot smarter before I read that article.
Now, I (we) aren't sure about anything.
67 posted on 06/25/2003 11:22:21 AM PDT by gcruse
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To: freedom9
Then they're still up in the air. There's also the possibility of a prophesy being vague enough that just about any situation could be covered by it.
68 posted on 06/25/2003 11:25:04 AM PDT by Junior ("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
If you can get production on it, recommend me for a Mabden Chieftain. I'd fit right in, as far as looks are concerned, with Corum's pesky Pony Tribes. ;-)
69 posted on 06/25/2003 11:27:16 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For an Evil Super Genius, you aren't too bright are you?)
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To: Buggman
Read #62.
70 posted on 06/25/2003 11:29:12 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Junior
"Worlds lived. Worlds died. And the universe was never the same again."

- DC Comics, 1985

71 posted on 06/25/2003 11:30:59 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Physicist
Then we would have had not only lots of parallel universes, but lots of parallel lines too.
72 posted on 06/25/2003 11:33:47 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Junior
I hope my double has enough money for beer this weekend, because I sure as hell don't.
73 posted on 06/25/2003 11:34:18 AM PDT by Argh
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To: Junior
"Worlds lived. Worlds died. And the universe was never the same again."

- DC Comics, 1985

74 posted on 06/25/2003 11:34:53 AM PDT by mhking
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To: Physicist
Could you think of a better way to rear a ruling 'class' to rule countless galaxies over endless ages based on a philosophical and practical expression of LOVE, humility etc.?
75 posted on 06/25/2003 11:43:42 AM PDT by Quix (FAIR MINDED & INTERESTED--please watch UFO special Tues eve & share opinions)
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To: Bear_in_RoseBear; JenB
Here's another one of these things.
76 posted on 06/25/2003 11:55:50 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Junior
Thanks for the ping. :-)
77 posted on 06/25/2003 11:56:29 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Just another Joe
"So I actually AM the Beloved Emperor of the Universe somewhere?"

Yeah but unfortunately, when the choice was given for him to have his first cigarette he said no so he would be your evil smoke nazi twin. (kidding!)
78 posted on 06/25/2003 11:58:00 AM PDT by honeygrl
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To: Quix
Could you think of a better way to rear a ruling 'class' to rule countless galaxies over endless ages based on a philosophical and practical expression of LOVE, humility etc.?

We have worlds enough, but not time. The same data that revealed the infinite extent of the universe also measured the rate of expansion as a function of time. The expansion is growing ever faster. In a finite amount of time, the universe will expand so fast that any surviving stars will be flung from their galaxies; after which, the planets from their stars; the stones from their planets; the atoms from their stones; electrons from their atoms; protons from their nuclei; quarks from their protons. Perhaps even the quarks will be destroyed.

Love while you can. For humility, we have the WMAP data.

79 posted on 06/25/2003 12:17:04 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: mhking
This parallel universe stuff is old news, isn't it?


80 posted on 06/25/2003 12:22:00 PM PDT by far sider
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