[for-q-clinton]

Java *is* the standard. Because of the non-proprietary nature

Wow, you really are drinking the anything, but Microsoft kool-aid. Last I checked Java is a Sun controlled product. They can change it at their will and they can force all current implementations to update or lose their license. If Java was a standard as TCP/IP, then yes I'd agree, but JAVA=Vendor Lock-in just as much as Windows does.

[for-q-clinton]

Wow, you really are drinking the anything, but Microsoft kool-aid. Last I checked Java is a Sun controlled product. They can change it at their will and they can force all current implementations to update or lose their license. If Java was a standard as TCP/IP, then yes I'd agree, but JAVA=Vendor Lock-in just as much as Windows does.

I forgot to thank you for once again making my point for me. I'm glad you're helping me out, you're debating skills must really surpass mine if you keep tossing me these softballs and even hitting the ball for me.

[Golden Eagle]

but JAVA=Vendor Lock-in just as much as Windows does.

Not to mention a US product. Harr rambles incoherently, nowing little of what he speaks, all the while claiming dominance of the discussion.

[Dominic Harr]

They can change it at their will and they can force all current implementations to update or lose their license. If Java was a standard as TCP/IP, then yes I'd agree, but JAVA=Vendor Lock-in just as much as Windows does.

Psssst . . .

Look it up. You won't believe me, so I won't even try.

Java *is* a standard. Sun does *not* control it. The 'Java Community Process' does.

[Bush2000]

Wow, you really are drinking the anything, but Microsoft kool-aid. Last I checked Java is a Sun controlled product. They can change it at their will and they can force all current implementations to update or lose their license. If Java was a standard as TCP/IP, then yes I'd agree, but JAVA=Vendor Lock-in just as much as Windows does.

Yep. Java ain't open source, despite what Harr would like anyone to believe. I can't take the J2EE sources, modify them, and republish them under GPL. Sun would never tolerate that. So what does that yield? A big, fat, hairy vendor-lockin with Sun.