Live from the New Europe: Reporting from Lithuania

netWMD (netwmd.com) ^ | June 23, 2003 | Andrew Jaffee

[nopardons]

Historical facts should never be cherrypicked, twisted, nor revised. Things happen in chronological order. Each and every side has its bias; however, blaming sunsiquent events, attempting to claim that supporting of someone BEFORE the " bad " stuff happened, makes the the act " bad ", is fallacious ; at best.

Just keep posting the facts and let them stand on thier owm merit. The heck with the emotional malcontents.

[AlexW]

"If you're looking for a place in europe to vacation, think about vacationing in these New Europe countries

Come to Slovakia, my new second home...No visa required, and cost is a fraction of US and western Europe.

[DPB101]

Try posting the facts of terrorism between 1878 and 1917 and see what happens. The first attempted use of a plane for terrorism was hatched in Russia--the commies tried to crash a plane into the Tsar's palace 8 years before the Bolshevik revolution.

[stevejackson]

Each and every side has its bias and there were no innocent parties in Europe

There were Lithuanian collaborators (both with the Nazi's and with Russians). As there were Dutch ones, Italian ones, as well as American commies and Nazi's at the time, too.

There always are. They come out of the woodwork when evil rears up. I know I don't have to say this, but I will: The fact that a people has some collaborators doesn't condemn the whole group (and all their descendents).

[nopardons]

And the anarchists were cheerfully going all over Europe, attempting to blow up prominant buildings ( often filled with people )and/or trying to ( often succeeding !) stab or shot various presidents,emperors, emporesses, kings, queens, and archdukes/duchesses. Emperess Elizabeth of the Austro-Hungarian Empire was stabbed to death in a railways station. The Archduke Franz Ferdinand and his morganistic wife were shot to death in Sarajevo ( sp ? ). Need I continue ?

[DPB101]

Apparently you have to say that because some people believe, as a matter of religious faith, they were and are observers on history and did not participate in history. The liberal mindset--always a victim: "I wasn't doin' nuthing officer!"

[nopardons]

Well said. Thanks !

[Destro]

Nope, as someone with this kind of "marketing" training seeing an article that mentioned New Europe and Lithuania by an American Jew without mention of the Nazi past (and present - for a vocal minority) made me think this article was written in search of (or justification for) an agenda. Dare I say, a neocon agenda?

[nopardons]

When Nazis took over some nations, some collaborated and some fought them; the same is true of when the Commies took over.

[stevejackson]

What groups are funding the publication of said articles-giving them a forum?

Please enlighten us to this grand conspiracy perpetrated by some guy who goes to Lithuania to visit family. Are the "neocons" Nazi's, too?

[Destro]

The Rumsfeldians neocon new Europe title tells a lot.

[stevejackson]

The Rumsfeldians neocon new Europe title tells a lot.

You've opened my eyes. The Bush administration is really a bunch of Nazi's engineering a Fourth Reich. Glad I've been straightened out.

[nopardons]

You're a patanoid delusional. What on earth do you even mean by your post and do YOU even know ?

[stevejackson]

Now that we know that Bush/Rummy/Condi/et al are Nazi's, isn't it strange how the Bush administration is, pragmatically speaking, the most pro-Israel admin in history (thank goodness for Israel).

[nopardons]

ROTFLMSO !

Some few, around here ( person/s shall remain nameless to protect them from their own abject and utter stupidity ) remain blinkered, blinded, deaf, and benumbed by the wads of tinfoil they wrap themselves in, I guess. LOL

Oh yes, we live in a " police state ", President Bush and his entire administration are Nazis, and we , we poor mortals just can't comprehend things, as they REALLY are, because only , ONLY , those with special gifts, not to mention the dread decoder rings ( I ASKE THAT THEY NOT BE MENTIONED ! )are able to know and to understand these things. (/sarcasm )

[nopardons]

( ASKED

[Cacique]

A thread on one of those "Eskimo" countries.

[Destro]

not Nazi but Trotsky. In addition in order to sing the praises of New Europe, we need to overlook some things about their old history.

Which is why this article fails to mention recent history.

[nopardons]

Which countries in particular ? You paint with far too broad a brush and wildly so.

[stevejackson]

not Nazi but Trotsky

Another revelation? So you're saying that Bush is really a hardcore Marxist-Leninist (Trotsky). Not a Nazi? Or Bush is a Nazi and a communist?

In addition in order to sing the praises of New Europe, we need to overlook some things about their old history.

Hardly anyone on this board is overlooking anything. I looked at the source website of this article, and it is very pro-Israel as well as promising further discussion of Lithuania's past (Nazi and communist accomplices).

Which is why this article fails to mention recent history.

First everyone's denying the Holocaust. Now they're denying what in "recent history?"